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I don't think you know what an argument is. An argument is defined as conclusions that follow from premises. There really is no such thing as a non verbal argument, at least in a strict sense. I do apologize for the big bold letters though. All I did was copy and pasted. 

As Erowind elucidated it could fit your definition of an argument. Either way we can rephrase it as people assuming that you were expressing yourself through your font style. Whether that expression can be classified as an argument is besides the point. 

 

 

Sigh, it's not good to make assumptions either. Every time you say something, you look sillier. Anyways, I will let this go now.



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So wait, you're ​not ​saying (or posting an article that is saying) that government of the state of south Africa has begun a process of seizing all white owned farms? 

 

Cause that's what I originally took from what you posted. On further reading after TG chimed in, it seems the Govt. has seized 2 farms and no further seizures have been confirmed, which is not what is implied by the headline. The fact that the website has chosen such an inflammatory headline for a much smaller issue is of course not your fault, but you could very easily have put 30 seconds of effort clarifying when you posted the link. 

 

Of course "Its not good to make assumptions" except unfortunately people are required to make thousands of assumptions every day, and the alternative is to drive everyone around you insane by asking for explicit clarification on every single thing that is said, or written or implied or hinted at by anyone.

 

Which means effective communication requires people to put some effort in, or risk their readers wildly misunderstanding them.

 

Of course in this case readers misunderstanding the misleading headline was the whole point of them wording the headline that way. 



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Well, it's not like this hasn't been discussed before. The South African government has been discussing expropriating land for months now, maybe even years, so to think it will stop with just 2 farms would be misguided I believe. This isn't just a single isolated article though. There have been discussions of it all over youtube, including the Fox news channel. The rest of the mainstream media won't pick it up though, because it goes against their narrative that whites are always the oppressors, and never the victims. 

 

I will give you credit for one thing though. That is the idea that we should never make assumptions. While in theory, making assumptions is bad, in practice, people need to make mental shortcuts to eliminate the possibility of cognitive overload. This can work both ways though, and I'd also think it could justify the need to stereotype in some circumstances. So I guess people themselves want to make assumptions, but they don't want others to make assumptions about them, or the things that they care about.



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Well, it's not like this hasn't been discussed before. The South African government has been discussing expropriating land for months now, maybe even years, so to think it will stop with just 2 farms would be misguided I believe. This isn't just a single isolated article though. There have been discussions of it all over youtube, including the Fox news channel. The rest of the mainstream media won't pick it up though, because it goes against their narrative that whites are always the oppressors, and never the victims. 

 

I will give you credit for one thing though. That is the idea that we should never make assumptions. While in theory, making assumptions is bad, in practice, people need to make mental shortcuts to eliminate the possibility of cognitive overload. This can work both ways though, and I'd also think it could justify the need to stereotype in some circumstances. So I guess people themselves want to make assumptions, but they don't want others to make assumptions about them, or the things that they care about.

I'd question how much the descendants of white settlers are the victims when the descendants of the people their ancestors stole the land from steal it back, I mean the only reason they own the land is the whole "we had the power to take it so we took it" justification, which this is in reverse. But of course I know what you mean. No one wins in these situations usually. 

 

Seriously though, there wouldn't be discussions of the seizure of two farms all over youtube etc. if people weren't blowing it out of proportion, using misleading headlines and generally trying to use it justify their whole white victim world view. The rest of the media won't pick it up because, outside of SA (where it may be the start of something and therefore is potentially important) no one (who doesn't have an agenda to push) cares about two random farms in south Africa. 

 

 

I would definitely say at this point that the whole "no racism against whites" phrase/idea that you see thrown around is garbage. First, at best it is only true in white majority countries and when you add the word "systemic" into it. i.e. "there is no such thing as systemic racism against whites in white majority countries" might be true.

 

I think a lot of the American left forget that there is a world outside the USA where whites are not the majority. Even were it totally valid, saying something like that just instantly confirms to anyone on the other side that you're very biased and won't consider anything they have to say. 

 

They forget that definition of racism is: 

 

 

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

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The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

 

And does not include anything about "systems". 



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Fighting Breaks Out in South Sudan 2 Days After Peace Deal

 

https://www.courthou...ter-peace-deal/

 

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JUBA, South Sudan (AP) — Fighting has broken out in South Sudan two days after the warring sides signed what the government called a “final final” peace agreement to end the civil war. Each side blames the other for the attacks.

 

Clashes erupted Friday morning in Central Equatoria state when government troops stormed bases in Lainya and Kajo Keji counties, opposition spokesman Lam Paul Gabriel said.

“That means the regime is not serious about the peace,” Gabriel told The Associated Press.

 

The government called the accusations “propaganda.” The attacks were instigated by opposition forces that emerged from hiding along the Ugandan border and were trying to reclaim territory, spokesman Lul Roai Koang told the AP.

 

An investigation into the reports is underway, the Ceasefire and Transitional Security Arrangements Monitoring Mechanism, the body charged with monitoring the cease-fire, said on Twitter. It reminded all parties of their commitment to refrain from hostilities. The body reports to the East African regional bloc that negotiated the peace deal.

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In this Friday, April 29, 2016 photo, South Sudan’s then First Vice President Riek Machar, left, looks across at President Salva Kiir, right, as the two sit to be photographed following the first meeting of a new transitional coalition government, in the capital Juba, South Sudan. 

(AP Photo/Jason Patinkin, File)

 

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