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A group of ISIS militants was evacuated

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I see the New York Times is still up to its slant the news is a nationalist direction routine.  Still, this article (see below) does make a lot of interesting points.

 

How a 4-Hour Battle Between Russian Mercenaries and U.S. Commandos Unfolded in Syria

 

https://www.nytimes....ries-syria.html

 

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(The New Yoerk Times) WASHINGTON — The artillery barrage was so intense that the American commandos dived into foxholes for protection, emerging covered in flying dirt and debris to fire back at a column of tanks advancing under the heavy shelling. It was the opening salvo in a nearly four-hour assault in February by around 500 pro-Syrian government forces — including Russian mercenaries — that threatened to inflame already-simmering tensions between Washington and Moscow.

 

In the end, 200 to 300 of the attacking fighters were killed. The others retreated under merciless airstrikes from the United States, returning later to retrieve their battlefield dead. None of the Americans at the small outpost in eastern Syria — about 40 by the end of the firefight — were harmed.

 

The details of the Feb. 7 firefight were gleaned from interviews and documents newly obtained by The New York Times. They provide the Pentagon’s first public on-the-ground accounting of one of the single bloodiest battles the American military has faced in Syria since deploying to fight the Islamic State.

 

The firefight was described by the Pentagon as an act of self-defense against a unit of pro-Syrian government forces. In interviews, United States military officials said they had watched — with dread — hundreds of approaching rival troops, vehicles and artillery pieces in the week 

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United States F-22 stealth fighter jets above Syria, where the prospect of Russian military forces and American troops colliding has long been feared as the Cold War adversaries take opposing sides in the country’s seven-year civil war.

CreditStaff Sgt. Colton Elliot/U.S. Air Force


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New Syrian law could prevent refugee return, Lebanese officials fear

 

https://www.thenatio...s-fear-1.735354

 

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(The National) Lebanese officials have warned Syria that a new law allowing for the confiscation of homes left by fleeing civilians could prevent refugees from the war ever returning home.

 

Law 10, passed in April, has yet to be implemented. As it is written, it allows the Syrian government to confiscate property in areas slated for post-war reconstruction if owners are unable to file a satisfactory claim to the property within a 30-day period.

 

For many in Syria’s millions-strong diaspora in Lebanon and elsewhere, proving such a claim is virtually impossible. Some fled without documents, while others cannot renew expired documents at Syrian embassies for fear they are wanted by the government.

 

“This is a robbery of the property of the people,” said Abu Nora, a Syrian man now living in Turkey. “All those who left Syria are exposed to this theft.”

 

Law 10 has also stoked fears in countries hosting large numbers of Syrian refugees that it will make it difficult for Syrians to return home.

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The Syrian government is passing laws to allow itself to seize private property, displace residents, and discourage refugees from trying to return to the war-battered country.

Danny Makki / AP


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UN urges Syria to allow aid to 2 million in desperate need

 

https://www.thenatio...e-need-1.735225

 

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(The National) The UN humanitarian chief on Tuesday urged the Syrian government primarily but also some rebel groups to allow the delivery of aid to more than 2 million desperate people in hard-to-reach areas.

 

Mark Lowcock told the UN Security Council the situation in Idlib, one of the opposition's last remaining footholds in Syria, is "alarming" with air strikes, clashes between armed groups, overcrowding and severely stretched basic services.

 

Idlib has suffered deteriorating security in recent months as rebel and jihadist factions battle with the Al Qaida-linked Levant Liberation Committee for dominance and Mr Lowcock said more than 80,000 newly displaced people have arrived in the area since March.

 

He said the first convoy in more than two months was due to go to northern rural Homs on Wednesday with assistance for nearly 93,000 people.

  

France's UN Ambassador Francois Delattre called the humanitarian situation throughout Syria "alarming", saying access for UN agencies and aid organisations to deliver humanitarian assistance "is still very much constrained".

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Um Samer, a displaced woman from eastern Ghouta, prepares an iftar meal at their home in Maarrat Misrin some seven kilometres north of Idlib.

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Iraq launches air strike against ISIS in Syria

 

https://www.thenatio...-syria-1.737808

 

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Iraq launched an air strike against ISIS in neighbouring Syria on Thursday.

 

An F-16 fighter jet destroyed an area where members of the extremist group were operating, the military said in a statement.

 

Even though ISIS — which once occupied a third of Iraq — has been largely defeated in the country, the group still poses a threat along its border with Syria.

 

The Iraqi air force has carried out a number of strikes against ISIS in Syria since last year, with the approval of Syrian President Bashar Al Assad and the US-led coalition fighting ISIS.

Prime Minister Haider Al Abadi declared victory over ISIS in December after security forces seized the last pockets of Iraqi territory held by the militants. However, the extremist group has continued to carry out ambushes, assassinations and bombings across the country.

 

ISIS has resorted to guerrilla tactics since it abandoned its goal of holding territory and creating a self-sufficient caliphate that straddles Iraq and Syria.

 

 

"ISIS has resorted to guerrilla tactics."  This underscores a point I have been trying to make in this thread.  That pursuing a purely military victory in Syria without also trying to reach a political solution is foolhardy.  Answering that a political solution has somehow already been reached strikes me as also being foolish.   ISIS may not be able to control territory in a conventional sense, but they may still be able to wreak havoc for years to come.  Yes, when they did control territory they proved themselves to be even more brutal than the current regime, if that is possible.  Still, that brutality was in part a response to the brutality to which they were subject.  A political solution empowering moderates who are not 100% supportive of the current regime, or that results in truncating the geographic reach of Assad's forces, might be a path to peace.  One I doubt that Assad or his allies will be willing to take anytime soon. Meaning more bloodshed and a sort of continued violent anarchy in the region. 

 

Yes, a part of the cause of overall instability in the region was the U.S. invasion of Iraq.  While it did remove Saddam from power, achieving that goal has come at a very great price.   


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You're on your own, US tells Syrian rebels, as Assad goes on offensive

 

https://www.theguard...es-on-offensive

 

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(The Guardian) The US has warned Syrian rebels in the south-west of the country they should not expect military support to help them resist a major government offensive.

 

The message from Washington comes as Russian jets struck an opposition-held town on Sunday in the first air cover provided by Moscow to an expanding Syrian army offensive in the strategic area bordering Jordan and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.

 

The US message sent to heads of the Free Syrian Army said Washington wanted to make clear that “you should not base your decisions on the assumption or expectation of a military intervention by us”.

 

The Syrian army began ramping up its assault last week in order to recapture the area.

 

Washington had warned the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, and his Russian allies that violations of a “de-escalation” zone agreed by the US and Russia last year would have “serious repercussions” and pledged “firm and appropriate measures”.

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Smoke rises after an attack by Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria’s south-west Daraa province.

Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images


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Well, the article linked below certainly gives a different impression than much of the rest of this thread.

 

Syria Sued Over Islamic State Slaying of Journalist

 

https://www.courthou...urnalist-foley/

 

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WASHINGTON (Courthouse News) – The family of James Foley — a journalist who was tortured and beheaded by the Islamic State group in 2014 — brought a $200 million complaint Tuesday to hold the Syrian government liable.

 

Represented by Steven Perles, Foley’s mother, father and three siblings contend that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government “facilitated” the rise of IS from its precursor groups, including the al-Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq.

 

“The Assad regime provided Daesh with material support at crucial times during its metastasis from an isolated group of terrorists into a quasi-terrorist ‘state’ that subsequently kidnapped, tortured, and beheaded James Wright Foley,” the 21-page complaint says, using an alternative name for IS.

 

Perles brought the lawsuit under the terrorism exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, which allows civil lawsuits for damages against U.S.-designated sponsors of terror for torture, extrajudicial killing and hostage taking.

 

Perles did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the lawsuit.


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Nobody posted this before, so I'll say it briefly: few days ago Syrian army liberated Daraa, the "cradle of Syrian revolution".

 

The colourful Arabian bragging (i'd like to see the faces of Russian negotiators hearing this):

 

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Holy truth! Daraa didn't fell, but peacefully surrendered to Russian military police.



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Syrian Arab Army (and not only, of course) moving forward, the Darra province is almost liberated from "rebels" of all kinds, there is only tiny ISIS enclave near Israeli border... they coexisted there in peace and harmony, and now the Syrian army destroying this iddil. 

 

Progress of the last month:

 

Spoiler

 

Meanwhile, the "White Helmets" running away. This is the best thing they can do now, both victorious Syrian government and Syrian people will not forget their "philanthropy".

 

Israel evacuates 800 Syrian 'White Helmets' to Jordan



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^ ^ ^ continuation, the fate of "White Helmets". Jordan do not needs them, so...

 

Jordan government said it had authorized the United Nations to organize the passage of 800 Syrian citizens through Jordan to be resettled in western countries.

 

 

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How ironic! Let's hope these "fearless doctors and great philanthropists" will become the new neighbors of their Western fans...  :lol:



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Sounds like they would make very good neighbors.

 

Syria’s White Helmets evacuated to Jordan in international operation as regime closed in

 

https://www.thenatio...sed-in-1.752787

 

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(The National) Hundreds of aid workers of the ‘White Helmet’ civil defence group and their families were evacuated from Syria early Sunday in an international operation that transported them through Israel and into Jordan as the forces of Syrian President Bashar Al Assad closed in.

 

The operation to remove the rescue workers from the province of Quneitra took place at the request of Britain, Germany and Canada with a view to resettling the evacuees in the West on humanitarian grounds.

 

Jordan said 422 people were brought from southwestern Syria, over the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights frontier and into Jordan, down from a figure of 800 announced earlier by the foreign ministry in Amman.

 

The rescue workers have been lauded in the West for their heroism but the Syrian regime accuses the group of being a propaganda tool for the West and aligned with militant groups, an accusation lacking in evidence.

 

The evacuees will be kept in a “closed” location in Jordan and resettled in Britain, Germany and Canada within three months

Around 800 people were expected to leave in the operation but it was hampered by Syrian government checkpoints and the activity of ISIS-affiliated militants in the area.

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File photo of a member of the White Helmets carrying a boy wounded during airstrikes and shelling by Syrian government forces, in Ghouta, a suburb of Damascus.

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^^^ Reminds me of Dostoevsky's writings concerning the suffering of innocent children.  Or has that been banned by Putin as not Russian enough?


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^^^ Reminds me of Dostoevsky's writings concerning the suffering of innocent children.

 

You once said you're somehow connected to US politics? It's very noticeable.



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^^^ Reminds me of Dostoevsky's writings concerning the suffering of innocent children.

 

You once said you're somehow connected to US politics? It's very noticeable.

 

Because I cite Dostoevsky?


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Because I cite Dostoevsky?

 

No, because your country have an ugly habit to use "suffering of innocent children" or similar "high moral" stuff as excuses for aggressive wars. This is the unique US trait:

 

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So, you criticize an American representative appointed by Donald Trump who was supported by Vladimir Putin in the last election. The same Donald Trump that I opposed first by supporting Sanders in the primaries, and then Trump's opponent in the general election.

 

This is to make a point about my involvement in the U.S. politics.  A Russian criticizing me for being involved in U.S. politics.  Am I supposed to laugh at this point?

 

Also, why evade the question?

 

Can writings by Dostoevsky concerning the suffering of innocent children be read in Russia, or can't they?


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So, you criticize an American representative...

 

Not at all. Not her, but long established (since early XIX century, at least) tradition to use "highly moral" sob-extracting rhetorics to cover the highly amoral deeds. Neither Trump nor Clinton didn't add anything new here.

 

Also, why evade the question?

 

Can writings by Dostoevsky concerning the suffering of innocent children be read in Russia, or can't they?

 

I do not evade, I just thought it was trolling or rhetorical question. Everyone knows, rhetorical questions doesn't need answer.

 

Here is your book: links to free download

 

And here is the Dostoevsky page in main Russian online library. 

 



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^^^ Good. Now that we have established that you have access to these works I suggest that you read them. Or perhaps it is you who think them "too western".


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To finish this discussion... i didn't noticed this:

 

Sounds like they would make very good neighbors.

 

I'm not sure what would Dostoevsky say about these photos, for example... but no matter, let's just agree: they'll be the neighbors you deserved.

 

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