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Russia tells world militias going to use chemical attacks on citizens -> Assad will use chemical attacks on citizens and frame it on militias


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It seems you missed some words... Let me add them for you, so that it will sound even more logical:

 

Russia tells world militias going to use chemical attacks on citizens -> Assad will use chemical attacks on citizens for no reason and frame it on already almost defeated militias to prevent them from peaceful surrender and also to get the retaliatory strike from USA wanting to save these militias from complete defeat.



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for no reason

 

I thought of a reason!

 

Having western democracies messing around in Syria helps move them away from interventionist policies, and increases war weariness at home, as their home populations get sick of the war and destruction for no apparent gain. 

 

So by extending the Syria situation by offering repeated provocation to encourage western re-engagement (in this case using obviously chemical weapons), the patience of the EU nations and USA are being worn away and eventually it will be impossible for their countries to get political support at home for intervening in the middle east. 

 

This will allow the states supporting Assad (which currently need to prepare for Western responses to every move they make in the region), to act more freely. Especially in ways that the EU/US/West would object to. 

 

The alternative is that the western govts/media are:

 

A) Staging chemical weapons attacks to give them excuses to attack Assad. 

(While not bothering to encourage other reporting of the conflict, or put any major effort into increasing support for it at home?)

 

B) Using this strategy repeatedly.

(Even though it has not worked so far, and Assad & co. are getting stronger not weaker)

 

C) Refusing to escalate beyond their minimal "supporting" role in the conflict. 

(even though they are loosing ground steadily and will run out of rebels to support at some point)

 

Essentially what all these "Its just western propaganda" arguments rely on is the idea that the west wants/needs more popular support for it's wars. This is obviously not the case. Since there are 0 domestic focused efforts for the western nations to build up support. And no effort being made to leverage that support into greater commitments towards intervention. 



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^ ^ ^ No comment.

 

Meanwhile, Russia increasing the naval presence in Eastern Mediterranean:

 

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This is the largest naval group since 2013, plus some additional ships are on the way. Let's hope this will serve as deterrent for Western "friends of Syria"...

 

...though, to be honest, I very much doubt it. Despite all the insincere alarmist screams about "Russian threat", in reality Western strategists deeply despise us. And there is no way to change this mindset BEFORE the war.



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^ ^ ^ No comment.

 

But you have to look at who benefits YourGuest! Don't just believe everything the media tells you! 

 

Wake up sheeple!



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So, first we are told since about 2011 that victory is around the corner. Seven yeas later, we are told that victory is around the corner and that therefore the use of chemical weapons by what I would characterized as a fundamentally irrational regime is not needed.  This as a counterargument to the idea that chemical weapons are being used by said irrational regime.  Do we really all look that stupid?   


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^ ^ ^ No comment.

 

Meanwhile, Russia increasing the naval presence in Eastern Mediterranean:

 

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This is the largest naval group since 2013, plus some additional ships are on the way. Let's hope this will serve as deterrent for Western "friends of Syria"...

 

...though, to be honest, I very much doubt it. Despite all the insincere alarmist screams about "Russian threat", in reality Western strategists deeply despise us. And there is no way to change this mindset BEFORE the war.

In all seriousness, I think the west is on the way out of Syria, I mean they may just assassinate Assad as a literal parting shot or something, but Assad & co have definitely been gaining ground, there was probably a point where they needed to either send in troops to intervene directly, or give up and they haven't sent any troops or moved to commit further.

 

I may have missed something, you don't really see a lot in the newspapers about the situation, and I'm not a big TV watcher. 



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But you have to look at who benefits YourGuest!

 

This is exactly what i always do...

 

Wake up sheeple!

 

LOL let's just drop it.



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Everything is ready for operation in Idlib, with may become (or not, depending of future negotiations) the LAST big military operation in Syrian war.

 

- Syrian army and allies are ready for offensive. By "allies" i mean even the surrendered militants of so-called "Free Syrian Army" who "realized their guilt" and are willing to "redeem it with blood". Good desire, let them do it!

 

- Militants in Idlib are ready to defend their last stronghold. Some of them are sitting on their canisters of chlorine and waiting for an order...

 

- Western allies are waiting for another shocking movie with dead women/children to start "punishing Assad".

 

- Therefore, the large Russian naval group was concentrated in the Eastern Mediterranean and now preparing to "military exercises" (announced from 1 to 8 september).

 

Spoiler

 

The next week going to be eventful.



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Fighter jets hit Syria's Idlib targets as fears of battle mount

 

https://www.aljazeer...4095502071.html

 

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(Al Jazeera) Air raids have pounded areas in Syria's last rebel-held province of Idlib, killing several civilians and raising further concerns that an all-out government offensive is only a matter of time.

 

The strikes on Tuesday came as the United Nations urged Russia, a Syrian government ally, and Turkey, which backs certain rebel groups in Idlib, to help avert a "bloodbath".

 

A full-scale military offensive would be devastating for the nearly three million people living in the province, including many rebels and civilians who were bussed out of other areas as they came back under government control.

 

At least 24 raids - the first in three weeks - hit the area on Tuesday morning, Al Jazeera's Stefanie Dekker reported from Antakya, in neighbouring Turkey, citing activists who said "they saw Russian and Syrian regime warplanes in the sky".

 

The bombing mainly targeted the city of Jisr al-Shughour on Idlib's western edge, along with its surrounding towns and villages, activists told Al Jazeera.


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Israeli strikes target Iranian positions in Syria: monitor

 

https://www.thenatio...onitor-1.766987

 

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(The National) Israeli missile strikes targeted Iranian military positions in the Syrian provinces of Hama and Tartus on Tuesday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said.

 

Syria's state news agency SANA said its air defence systems downed several missiles launched from Israeli warplanes.

 

The Observatory said missiles struck Wadi Al Oyoun in the central province of Hama, near a scientific research centre which was already targeted by Israeli strikes in July and last year.

 

Iranian military positions in coastal region of Banias, in the province of Tartus, were also targeted, the Britain-based monitoring organisation said.


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"White Helmets" complaining in twitter that their center in Idlib was visited by Russian Air Forces...

 

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Iran Summit Holds Key to Looming Battle in Syria’s Idlib

 

https://www.courthou...n-syrias-idlib/

 

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — The presidents of Iran, Russia and Turkey began a meeting Friday in Tehran to discuss the war in Syria, with all eyes on a possible military offensive to retake the last rebel-held bastion of Idlib.

 

The summit between Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan may determine whether diplomacy halts any military action. Even before it began, an airstrike early Friday struck Idlib’s southern edge, killing at least one person.

 

Rouhani, hosting the meeting, made a point to call on the U.S. to end its intervention in Syria. There are some 2,000 American forces in the country.

 

“The fires of war and bloodshed in Syria are reaching their end,” Rouhani said, while adding that terrorism must “be uprooted in Syria, particularly in Idlib.”

 

Each of the three nations has its own interests in the yearslong war in Syria.

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Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan centre, shakes hands with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, left, in Tehran, Iran, Friday, prior to their talks, part of Russia-Iran-Turkey summit to discuss Syria, Friday Sept. 7, 2018.

(Presidential Press Service via AP, Pool)


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Terrorists & White Helmets met in Idlib to prep for final stage false flag chem attack – Russian MoD

 

The Russian military has obtained “irrefutable” data that terrorist groups, including Jabhat an-Nusra, and the infamous White Helmets met in Idlib province on Sunday, according to the ministry’s spokesperson Igor Konashenkov. The militants plotted the final scenarios for the chemical attacks that the Syrian army are expected to make in the cities of Jisr ash-Shugur, Serakab, Taftanaz and Sarmin, the Russian military revealed.

 
“Full readiness of all participants involved in the staging of the provocations is be ensured by the evening of September 8,” Konashenkov stated. He added that the terrorists are to receive a “special” signal from some “foreign friends of Syrian revolution” to launch the operation.
 
In late August, American forces deployed missile destroyer USS ‘Ross’ to the Mediterranean and USS ‘The Sullivans’ to the Persian Gulf. The preparation of US military forces was condemned by Russia, with its Defense Ministry describing the move as “the latest evidence of the US intention” to take advantage of a false-flag attack.
 
In addition, YouTube just blocked all the official Syrian channels. Needless to say that the channels of jihadists are working as usual.
 
As for Syrian channels, Russia must seriously prepare itself to similar situation when all the Russian information channels will be banned to protect the "freedom of speech" from "Russian propaganda". As one CNN-man said (not exact quote): "we're all know what really happened and I don't understand why do we still have two different narratives?"
 
With YouTube or without, the liberation of Idlib is about to start.


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LOL the older brother of "girl Bana from Aleppo" (she was also activated, btw):

 

Save us, Mr.Trump!

 

The same boy actor as "Eastern Ghouta resident" few months ago:

 

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And now he's already living in Idlib... the typical Arab teenager, the typical wooden Arab building behind his back... and the typical Al-jazeera, in all their beauty...

 

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LOL the older brother of "girl Bana from Aleppo" (she was also activated, btw):

 

Save us, Mr.Trump!

 

The same boy actor as "Eastern Ghouta resident" few months ago:

 

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And now he's already living in Idlib... the typical Arab teenager, the typical wooden Arab building behind his back... and the typical Al-jazeera, in all their beauty...

 

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This boy looks much more Russian than Syrian.



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This boy looks much more Russian than Syrian.

 

Of course, he's the same "Muhammad Nadjem" as I am. Nowadays, the propaganda becomes insultingly obvious and primitive. Yet, remains quite plausible and edible for its target audience. This alone says a lot about mental state of modern society.

 

"I'm wounded, I'm bleeding, we have no electricity and internet access, this is my last tweet, pray for us..."



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What Will Follow the Battle of Idlib?

by Robert Fisk

 

https://www.counterp...attle-of-idlib/

 

 

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(Counterpunch) Wars are dodgy things to predict. And the vast plain below the battlefield of Idlib – not to mention the Syrian artillery battery of four 130mm guns on the heights of Mount Akrad pointing at the hot fields and deserted villages held by the Islamists to the east – bake under the white sun in silence.

 

Conclusion:

 

The bowl of sky above Jisr el-Chougour was empty when I looked across the plains of the Orontes but a day earlier, there had been several Syrian air raids. The opposition claimed 10 civilians dead – they rarely mention militia casualties – but there are also families of government soldiers among the tens of thousands of civilians in Idlib province. General Sultan’s thesis – and you can stare across at the grey, battered and empty villages on the Nusrah side of the line and search in vain for a single human being – is that foreign Islamist fighters have put their own families in Jisr el-Chugour, a dangerous undertaking for the opposition, if true.

 

He talks very freely about the soldiers who deserted the Syrian army in the early days of the war – and of how many returned to the ranks. He speaks of the poverty which drove men to join the opposition. “Then by 2015, they realised theirs was not a fight for democracy and human rights. And our friends from the Russian Federation supported us with suitable weapons as Syria fought on.”

 

He agrees that the Syrian army was trained to fight in hills – for the final battle for Israeli-occupied Golan, rather than the final battle for Nusrah-held Idlib. And Idlib is obviously in the opposite direction to Golan, as he agrees. Golan is therefore presumably still to come.

 

And that is another story.

 


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This boy looks much more Russian than Syrian.

 

Of course, he's the same "Muhammad Nadjem" as I am. Nowadays, the propaganda becomes insultingly obvious and primitive. Yet, remains quite plausible and edible for its target audience. This alone says a lot about mental state of modern society.

 

"I'm wounded, I'm bleeding, we have no electricity and internet access, this is my last tweet, pray for us..."

I think the point he was making, is that if this was a real attempt to deceive westerners into thinking a Syrian child was pleading for help, they would probably have managed to find someone who looks a bit ​Syrian.



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if this was a real attempt to deceive westerners into thinking a Syrian child was pleading for help, they would probably have managed to find someone who looks a bit ​Syrian.

 

But they didn't, right? They (Al-Jazeera) decided that this one Nordic boy is enough for their target audience, so why bother to find someone else? And alas, they were right...







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