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A refugee from Kurzweilai.net
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funkervogt
, Apr 03 2018 08:47 PM
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 08:47 PM
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:06 PM
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Welcome to the forum! 
Good to have you here. Do you know if the Kurzweil forums will be restored / relaunched?
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:29 PM
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Oh no what happened, I always loved that site even though I never made an account.
Current status: slaving away for the math gods of Pythagoras VII.
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:52 PM
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Welcome to the forum!
The moderators didn't say anything about relaunching the forum at any time. Simultaneous with the deletion of the forum, the Kurzweilai.net main page disabled the Comments feature for its content, which I took as a clear sign that they're ending all "social media" aspects of the site.
Oh no what happened, I always loved that site even though I never made an account.
The Kurzweilai.net forum was totally deleted today. Last November, the moderator announced, without clearly explaining the rationale, that the forum would be shut down on January 1. Several last-minute extensions kept bumping that deadline, but we finally ran out of luck today.
I'm not sure why Ray Kurzweil decided to do this, but my guess is he might have gotten tired of the negative user content and criticism of him and his theories. Ironically, the forum was much worse in the 2013-14, when there was almost no moderation, and the forum was overloaded with flame wars between very nasty people. Just when I thought the forum had turned a corner and stabilized, they decided to terminate it.
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 10:33 PM
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 10:59 PM
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Welcome to the forum!
The moderators didn't say anything about relaunching the forum at any time. Simultaneous with the deletion of the forum, the Kurzweilai.net main page disabled the Comments feature for its content, which I took as a clear sign that they're ending all "social media" aspects of the site.
Oh no what happened, I always loved that site even though I never made an account.
The Kurzweilai.net forum was totally deleted today. Last November, the moderator announced, without clearly explaining the rationale, that the forum would be shut down on January 1. Several last-minute extensions kept bumping that deadline, but we finally ran out of luck today.
I'm not sure why Ray Kurzweil decided to do this, but my guess is he might have gotten tired of the negative user content and criticism of him and his theories. Ironically, the forum was much worse in the 2013-14, when there was almost no moderation, and the forum was overloaded with flame wars between very nasty people. Just when I thought the forum had turned a corner and stabilized, they decided to terminate it.
Oh I remember those days. RedQ was the worst, forever_freedom was basically toeing the line between anarcho-capitalist and plutocratic fascism, Spikosauropod stated his intention to destroy the forum, and I think there were also some neo-Nazis occasionally coming in? I just bowed out entirely around late 2016.
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And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 07:19 AM
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There would have been value in archiving this sort of thing. It is actually a loss to humanity that the forum's conversations are gone.
Speaking of which, is FTN archived and if not how would we go about doing so? I can't imagine the data takes up too much hard drive space if images are removed.
Speaking of which, is FTN archived and if not how would we go about doing so? I can't imagine the data takes up too much hard drive space if images are removed.
Current status: slaving away for the math gods of Pythagoras VII.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 04:54 PM
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There would have been value in archiving this sort of thing. It is actually a loss to humanity that the forum's conversations are gone.
Agreed. While most of the Kurzweilai.net forum's discussions were redundant (e.g. - WAY too much talking about technological unemployment and socialism vs. capitalism), a small fraction of them were genuinely creative and insightful.
Fortunately, I don't think the forum is lost forever. In the four month lead-up to the forum's deletion, several users including myself made personal attempts to copy the forum. I crudely copied and pasted my hundreds of threads into Microsoft Notepad and saved them as .txt files, and more tech-savvy members tried to copy the whole site using software-based automation. I wouldn't be surprised if a ZIP file containing everything surfaced at some point, either from one of them or made by the Kurzweilai staff.
Let me add that the Kurzweilai.net forum that was terminated yesterday was actually the SECOND user forum to exist on that site. The first forum existed from 2001 - 2010, was called "Mind-X", and is archived here:
FINAL Mind-X posts: http://www.kurzweila...t/mindx/top.php
FIRST Mind-X posts: http://www.kurzweila...x/top.php?p=292
I hope the second forum (which was just called "Forum" and dispensed with the "Mind-X" title) is archived and made available as well.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 04:56 PM
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A Kurzweilai.net forum user also tried to archive the second forum here: https://web.archive....lai.net/forums/
I'm not sure how stable or complete it is, though. It seems buggy.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 09:21 PM
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Welcome! Sorry to hear about kurzweilAI.
I always imagined the future as a time of more reason, empathy, and peace, not less. It's time for a change.
Attention is currency in the "free marketplace of ideas".
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Attention is currency in the "free marketplace of ideas".
I do other stuff besides gripe about the future! Twitter Youtube DeviantArt +-PATREON-+
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 01:11 AM
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Welcome aboard.
The principles of justice define an appropriate path between dogmatism and intolerance on the one side, and a reductionism which regards religion and morality as mere preferences on the other. - John Rawls
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:04 AM
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Welcome. Along with a scattered few others like purpose and nanostuff, you were one of the few KurzweilAI posters with a healthy blend of optimism and skepticism. The majority of the userbase tended to gravitate towards the unhealthy and irrational end of those two extremes.
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:12 AM
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^ And the big debates, mainly the ones about politics.
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 04:23 PM
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Welcome. Along with a scattered few others like purpose and nanostuff, you were one of the few KurzweilAI posters with a healthy blend of optimism and skepticism. The majority of the userbase tended to gravitate towards the unhealthy and irrational end of those two extremes.
Are you a former Kurzweilai member?
Predictor, michael184, purpose, CNOT, GLOVE, and a few others were also intelligent, balanced people.
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 05:04 PM
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Welcome. Along with a scattered few others like purpose and nanostuff, you were one of the few KurzweilAI posters with a healthy blend of optimism and skepticism. The majority of the userbase tended to gravitate towards the unhealthy and irrational end of those two extremes.
Are you a former Kurzweilai member?
Predictor, michael184, purpose, CNOT, GLOVE, and a few others were also intelligent, balanced people.
Yep, Casey1987. I don't really agree on michael (one of his last posts was saying that literally nothing will change between now and 2030 besides minor iphone updates), but the others were certainly all good posters, purpose especially.
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