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Iran-Israeli Crisis

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Jon B. "Globalist" Wolfsthal
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Let's stop saying withdrawal.  It is a violation of the deal.  America is violating an agreement it negotiated.  Willingly and blatantly.  We have no grounds to withdraw.
 

 

Trump is going against most Americans on this very issue - in fact, he's going about it single-handedly. This is a national security issue of great significance, to the point Congress should be at least considering impeaching Trump and renter the Iran agreement.


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Jon B. "Globalist" Wolfsthal
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22 hours ago

Let's stop saying withdrawal.  It is a violation of the deal.  America is violating an agreement it negotiated.  Willingly and blatantly.  We have no grounds to withdraw.

 
Trump is going against most Americans on this very issue - in fact, he's going about it single-handedly. This is a national security issue of great significance, to the point Congress should be at least considering impeaching Trump and renter the Iran agreement.

But they won't

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Rocket alert in Golan Heights, residents urged to enter shelters

Some 20 rockets were fired at Israeli military bases by Iranian forces in southern Syria just after midnight on Thursday, with some of the incoming missiles being intercepted by the Iron Dome defense system, the army said, amid sky high tensions on the northern border.
There were no reports of Israeli casualties in the attack. An army spokesperson said damage was caused to Israeli military bases, but that it was “limited.”
The Israeli army said the missile barrage was carried out by members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Forces. This appeared to be the first time that Israel attributed an attack directly to Iran, which generally operates through proxies. The late night rocket barrage was also the largest attack, in terms of the number of rockets fired, in the seven years of the Syrian civil war.


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Iran 'fires 20 rockets' at Israel army in occupied Golan Heights

Iranian forces stationed in Syria fired about 20 rockets or projectiles at Israeli military positions in the Golan Heights just after midnight on Thursday, Israel’s defence forces (IDF) said.
Several but not all rockets were intercepted by Israeli defences, an IDF spokesman, Lt Col Jonathan Conricus, told reporters, saying a preliminary assessment found there was minimal damage.
“At approximately 12.10, 10 minutes past midnight, forces belonging to the Iranian Quds force fired approximately 20 projectiles, most of them are probably rockets but that is yet to be determined, towards the forward line of IDF positions in the Golan Heights,” he said.
“So far we are not aware of any casualties, any IDF casualties,” he said, adding that Israeli forces had “responded”.
The attack, if confirmed, would mark the first time Iranian forces had fired rockets in a direct strike on Israeli forces in the occupied Golan Heights. The area has been on high alert since Donald Trump confirmed he was pulling the US out of the Iran nuclear deal.

Seems a little too convenient.


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Syrian forces strike back at Israel in major escalation

Today Israel began a coordinated attack on Al Qunityra which hit Syrian positions. Local Syrian commanders issued order of retaliation and began launching rockets and artillery strikes on Israeli positions in Golan.
Syrian retaliation artillery strikes began via the 137th Regiment of the 7th Mechanized Division first hitting Israeli forward outpost on Al Sheikh Mountain near the Golan Heights which was then responded to by Israel via attack on Khan Arnabeh with artillery as well.
Syrian forces then began using 120mm grad rocket launchers to target several positions across the Golan heights which triggered air-raid sirens in the region and Israeli authorities mobilized locals to bomb-shelters.


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Syrian air defense engages Israeli rockets near Damascus

Syrian air defenses have been deployed to thwart an attack by the Israeli rockets, Syria’s state SANA news agency reported. The bombing is reportedly being carried out by Israeli warplanes from Lebanese airspace.

Syrian air defenses have been engaging missiles that Israeli warplanes are launching from outside the country's territory, SANA reported on Thursday. The bombardment appears to have been going on for hours, with the first missile strikes reported at about 1:30 am Damascus time on Thursday (22:30 GMT).
Early Thursday morning, IDF spokesman Avichay Adraee confirmed that the Israeli army was continuing to hit “Iranian targets” in Syria, warning that any retaliation by Syrian forces would be met with “extreme seriousness.”
SANA has released footage of Syrian air defense systems responding to incoming missiles.


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White House Condemns Iranian Attacks on Israel

 

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JERUSALEM (AP) — The White House has condemned Iran’s “provocative rocket attacks from Syria against Israeli citizens” and expressed strong support for “Israel’s right to act in self-defense.”

 

The statement from press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders comes after the most serious direct military confrontation between the two bitter enemies to date.


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Israel strikes dozens of Iranian targets in Syria after getting rocket fire

 

The Israeli military on Thursday said it attacked nearly all of Iran's military installations in neighbouring Syria in response to an Iranian rocket barrage on Israeli positions in the occupied Golan Heights.

 
Israel said the targets of the strikes included weapons storage, logistics sites and intelligence centres used by elite Iranian forces in Syria. It also said it destroyed several Syrian air-defence systems after coming under heavy fire. It said none of its warplanes was hit.
 
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned in a statement on Thursday that "whoever attacks us — we will attack them sevenfold and whoever prepares to attack us — we will act against them first."
 
Netanyahu issued the statement as Israel's security cabinet was meeting, according to media reports.


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Is all of this setting the stage for a hot war with Iran (and perhaps with Syria as well)?

 

 

Hmm..... I hope Trump is not that hot-headed. (I have my doubts though)

 

 

EDIT: Well, technically, that was a hot war Israel inflicted on Iran there.


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Has Israel opened a new front in Syria's war?

 

https://www.aljazeer...0122121138.html

 

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(Al Jazeera) Israeli raids against alleged Iranian targets inside Syria have raised fears of a major confrontation in the Middle East.

  

Amid international calls for restraint and calm, Israeli officials say the attacks on Thursday were not aimed at opening a new front in Syria's war, but analysts say much will depend on Iran's response. 

 

The Israeli army said warplanes targeted intelligence, logistics, storage and vehicles in response to rocket fire targeting its forces in the occupied Golan Heights, which it blamed on Iran. 

 

Avigdor Lieberman, Israel's defence minister, said the Israeli assault struck "almost all of the Iranian infrastructure in Syria", and added that Israel will desist from launching any further attacks.

 

"I hope we finished this chapter and everyone got the message," he said, but warned that "if it rains on us [Israel], it will pour on them [Iran]."

 

 

caltrek's comment:  I think that if nothing else, this all demonstrates a point that I made in another thread.  That point being that the U.S. is not the sole source of evil in the Middle East. 

 

Even if the U.S. says to Russia, "we are no longer interested in this region. Do with it what you will," Russia would still have to deal with other entities.  Entities that would not necessarily be in complete agreement with Russia as to the outcomes that they desire for the region.  Israel may not have the firepower that Russia has, but they are still a formidable power in the region.  Ditto Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran. Getting these five powers to agree on a common course of action and then throw Syria into the mix, and the sources of chaos become apparent.  

 

So, part of Trump's strategy is neo-isolationist.  That is to go down a different path and let all of these other entities bleed each other to death.  Of course, we still have favorites, most obviously Israel.  So, while neo-isolationalist it is not pacifist.  We still have a dog in the fight, one which we will presumably keep well armed.  

 

Pointing these realities out cause Russophiles to label me as being a hypocrite.  Yet, it is not hypocrisy that motivates me, it is rather a desire to be realistic.  Something that such Russophiles are not used to from a self-proclaimed pacifist.


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Trump just wasn't strong enough to "drain the swamp". Instead, the swamp drained him. His initial team was destroyed, he was deprived of real power and now surrounded by those same people who were behind Hillary's back in 2016. Sad.

Actually, AFAIK, Trump's all but purged everyone who could have possibly told him to not do things and has instead surrounded himself with... I don't even know who. He chose his own advisors. His initial team, I believe, was picked for him and he had little love for their likes. He wants to be the only strong man, not someone a part of a team. That's why he's doing these things. 

I mean, he was always a close associate of the Clintons. He was also a supporter of Kissinger.  

He doesn't see himself as a president of a nation. He sees himself as a CEO of a corporation. It doesn't matter who's behind him at any one time. If they disappoint him, he fires them. You're not supposed to go against the boss. His advisors aren't political advisors; they're just a board of directors. We're not citizens; we're just stockholders and consumers.

 

That could be Trump's Der Fuhrer/Il Duce/El Caudillo: "The Boss".


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YourGuest, on 09 May 2018 - 04:55 AM, said:snapback.png

Trump just wasn't strong enough to "drain the swamp". Instead, the swamp drained him. His initial team was destroyed, he was deprived of real power and now surrounded by those same people who were behind Hillary's back in 2016. Sad.

 

 

Trump didn't drain the swamp - he flooded it.  With cronies that are above all loyal to him and his fanatical vision of nihilism.

 

Destroy the nuclear control agreement with Iran.  Allow capitalists to destroy the environment.  Destroy organized labor, or at least the "organized" part.  Destroy net neutrality. Maybe you are into suicide, I am not.


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Israel planned to bomb Iran and start a war, former spy chief says

Israel planned to bomb Iran and initiate an all-out conflict in the Middle East, according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's former head of intelligence, who said he believed the move may have been illegal.
Tamir Pardo, who served as head of Israeli spy agency Mossad from 2011 to 2016, told local investigative program Uvda in an interview set to air Thursday that Netanyahu instructed his military command in 2011 to prepare for a strike against longtime foe Iran, which Israel has accused of developing nuclear weapons and supporting militant groups abroad. Pardo said then-Israeli chief of staff Benny Gantz informed the prime minister that the armed forces would be ready within 15 days.

No reason to think they still won't.


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I've just read an intelligence report on Russian involvement in Syria, and it highlights the reinvolvement of Russia in geopolitical affairs under Putin. Iran is a very important Russian ally in the middle east. If Israel decide to go to war with Iran, Russia would involve itself. Israel would either need to involve an ally in an aggressive war (unlikely) in order to balance it out, and even then, Iran and Russia can mobilize far quickly and with more effective control than an American-Israeli duo. This of course, does not take into account support from GCC states, but I dont think any arab country would support a war started by Israel, at least publically or in a grand way as US did iraq.
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NATO chief says alliance won't aid Israel if Iran attacks

NATO’s secretary-general said Saturday that the alliance wouldn’t come to Israel’s defense in case of attack by Iran.
Jens Stoltenberg told the magazine Der Spiegel that Israel is a partner, but not a member and that NATO’s “security guarantee” doesn’t apply to the Jewish state.
Stoltenberg said NATO isn’t involved in Mideast peace efforts or in conflicts in the region.


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