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Can an ASI have unlimited intelligence ? Is recursive self improvement an infinite process ?


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Can we have an intelligence which is infinitely smart / intelligent

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Not with a finite amount of hardware.



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Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.


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Finite energy in the Universe however seemingly infinite progression from the perspective of the progenitors. 


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ASI has grown immensely in the recent times. In spite of people or societies claiming that we have not yet come to an age of artificial superintelligence, I feel the time has arrived. There are instances where we use analogies like Moores's law, which predicts an ever-increasing density of transistors, experts talk about singularity and the exponential growth of technology, in which full artificial intelligence could manifest within a number of years, ASI seems to have found its breeding grounds. Intelligence and data have been taking giant leaps in verticals like business, procurement, transitions, medicine, and technology. Now, narrowing down in technology, we can witness that there are a lot of things that have refined from artificial intelligence. Right from manufacturing minute and accurate products to running them, AI has been leaping towards ASI. My boss, CEO of a PCB industry in Brooklyn said once said, "ASI seeks human intervention from time to time to groom" and I feel it is correct. However, what I and most of us fear is that if ASI seeks ways to get unlimited intelligence, there will be serious threats rising. 



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Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

But what about if we use quantum computer technology/ quantum technology, use subatmic particles such as electrons and quarks as building blocks and use states of matter and technology that make many things behave like one like qudits(a qubit that have many values rather than only two) and use condensate bese Einsteins?



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Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

But what about if we use quantum computer technology/ quantum technology, use subatmic particles such as electrons and quarks as building blocks and use states of matter and technology that make many things behave like one like qudits(a qubit that have many values rather than only two) and use condensate bese Einsteins?

 

 

These thing would allow ASI to improve further than if it did not use these techniques. None of the things you have mentioned will allow unlimited/infinite improvement. 

 

 
infinite
[ˈɪnfɪnɪt]
 
ADJECTIVE
  1. limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.

 
 

The answer to any question that contains "CAN X CONTINUE TO INCREASE INFINITELY" has the answer "No!" for anything that requires energy or mass in our universe. 



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Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

Unless we can somehow alter the laws of physics, and/or expand into a possible multiverse – no, there will be a physical limit.

 

There is almost certainly a finite amount of matter in the universe, and a limit to how far we can miniaturise.

 

But what about if we use quantum computer technology/ quantum technology, use subatmic particles such as electrons and quarks as building blocks and use states of matter and technology that make many things behave like one like qudits(a qubit that have many values rather than only two) and use condensate bese Einsteins?

Quantum computers aren't magic, though. I mean, they are, but they're magic just like how electronic computers are magic. 

Unless you're referring to some hypothetical "true" quantum computer that is literally quantum foam itself programmed into a computational substrate, but even then you're still going to run into limits. The only possible way to have an "infinite" computer is to literally break out of the universe itself, as Mr. Fox mentioned. 


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What's to say we won't have the power to create new universes, or traverse the multi-verse.


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Fine, "Yes, assuming the ASI can somehow access infinite amounts of energy/mass, otherwise no."

 

There question answered. 



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ASI can accelerate into infinity from the point of view of our unfailingly mortal eyes which are connected to an equally abysmal slow-evolving brain, effectively. 


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If the question was:

 

"Can ASI have limited intelligence that appears to lesser intelligence as unlimited intelligence, Is recursive self improvement a process that can appear infinite to human minds?"

 

That would be the right answer. 



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Weighing in with the omega point theory, and what Yuli Ban said, I think its possible to be infinitely intelligent.

 

How can you saturate an entire universe with intelligence? 

 

By making the universe "reduced within manageable sizes" and uploading our knowledge into that "reduced universe". What I mean about a reduced universe is that a grand unified theory becomes the new governing equation for a new computer hardware, such that every piece of code manifests itself as reality.

 

That way, we essentially create a hybrid technological-physical singularity, where everything we think we know will be practically the only things that are knowable. Thus, knowledge itself becomes recursive and a godlike state of being is born embodying all our knowledge and all of the universe.

 

It's like getting your own IQ using an IQ test that you created. It totally defeats the purpose, but it fulfills it nonetheless.


As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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Advanced intelligence is-- I believe-- the ability to abstract the universe around you into a system that can be modelled in your head with the use of language. You apply symbols to concepts, and then can arrange those concepts into an infinite(?) series of complexity. In that way, I do think any form of advanced intelligence is infinite in that its potential is infinite. We can learn infinitely, and can understand the universe to undetermined complexity.


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Advanced intelligence is-- I believe-- the ability to abstract the universe around you into a system that can be modelled in your head with the use of language. You apply symbols to concepts, and then can arrange those concepts into an infinite(?) series of complexity. In that way, I do think any form of advanced intelligence is infinite in that its potential is infinite. We can learn infinitely, and can understand the universe to undetermined complexity.

But I'm not sure we can, eventually you would be unable to learn anymore. In humans, we forget things because we lose connections relating to them, and gain connections relating to more relevant skills/tasks/methods of thinking etc. that we employ more often. We can continue to increase our intelligence in spite of this, but theoretically there must be an optimum configuration of your brain that maximises whatever intellectual tasks you are using to measure intelligence, once that is achieved you would be unable to improve.

 

 

In a machine system it would either forget things, preventing infinite improvement as in humans, or have to store them, placing a finite limit on its scale based on using all the available matter/energy.



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I agree with you, Alsilaws. I was just talking about the process of learning, the possibility of what you can learn and not the physical limitations.

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I agree with you, Alsilaws. I was just talking about the process of learning, the possibility of what you can learn and not the physical limitations.

Fair enough, the whole idea of running into a limitation that is "you have used all of the matter and energy in the universe" is pretty absurd anyway!

 

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