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[Ready Steady Yeti]

Pfff. Reminds me of fucking George Bush.

 

American Dad! should make fun of this election. South Park already did. Come on, Seth MacFarlane, I can't wait to see this.

 

Anyway, I'm not knowledgable enough to say what's gonna happen. But I do know that whatever is going to happen in Trump's term, he's gonna do about 20 really stupid jackass things that I'm gonna facepalm over, at LEAST. Cringe over. What a joke. Thanks a lot for voting such an idiot into power.

 

Sure, he has people skills. But it takes more than that to run a country.

[MikeMoss]

Hi

 

What needs to happen is that the Democrats need to grow a pair and make sure that the work as hard at blocking everything that Trump tries to do as the Republicans did to Obama.

 

The "Can't we all just get along?" school will be disaster and lead to the Republican's entrenching themselves to the point that there's no way to get them out again.

 

The next four years is either going to be a real battle or the we will see a conservative, anti science, anti progress, anti human rights, pro rich, pro big business government for decades to come.

 

The Democrats should be getting ready to fight right now.

 

Almost the Republican's first statement was that they were going to obstruct everything that President Obama tried to do, and to make sure he was a one term president.

 

Now it's the Democrat's turn, and unlike the Republicans they have to succeed in doing it.

 

Even 4 years is enough to screw things up to the point that it will take decades to recover.

 

How long until the republican polices cause the next great recession, more spending, tax cuts, trickle down economics, the same old thing.

 

Unless the Democrats really fight this could be a total disaster.

 

The ironic thing is that the people who elected him are the ones who are going to get hurt the most.

 

 

Predictions ...

 

The wall will never be built, sparing graffiti artists a massive undertaking.

 

I don't think that there will be a massive upscale in military operations in the Middle East, there just isn't any real taste for that in either party.

 

As to health care, I have a hard time believing that they really want to be the people who take health care away from twenty million people.

Maybe they will really try and fix it?

 

I do think that there will be a big crackdown on emigration, it's one thing that he can probably get done, and in reality something that President Obama has already started doing.  That's how he got the nick name De-porter and Chief.

 

As for trade I have no idea, what will happen, as long as they won't confront the idea that planning for the future is the solution not trying to go back to the way things were as the answer, who knows?

 

Their real agenda is pro business not pro worker so will they really try and do anything that would hamper businesses ability to sell and manufacture overseas?

 

Mike

[Dead Redshirt]

As already mentioned, he's such a wildcard and very hard to predict. His plans for what he wants to do are very drastic. But I think that at worst, he'll only be able to implement a few of them. They'll either get blocked, or if they end up passing through, will take so long to implement throughout his term. Speaking of terms, I'm predicting him to have a single term. He doesn't strike me as someone who'd have lasting appeal. Then again, I was wrong about him not getting elected.

 

I guess one of the worst things about this is having to see his face even more prominently instead of it fading into obscurity.

[Yuli Ban]

It's time to move on from the 2016 Presidential Election.... Thread.

 

Just like with the Post-Brexit thread, this will be the thread to discuss all the going-ons of Donald John Trump's presidency.

 

I know, I know. I'll just say it for you.

 

President Trump.

 

That's a thing now. Get over it, my sweet summer children. 

[Sciencerocks]

He is gong to kill off the tpp. This is a good idea.

[Guyverman1990]

He could very well end up being another Nixon in the next few years, by that I mean resign prematurely.

[Jakob]

He could very well end up being another Nixon in the next few years, by that I mean resign prematurely.

Leading to President Pence? I'm not getting a good vibe from him...

[Guyverman1990]

 

He could very well end up being another Nixon in the next few years, by that I mean resign prematurely.

Leading to President Pence? I'm not getting a good vibe from him...

 

 

As long as someone like Corey Booker runs against him and wins.

[kjaggard]

[eacao]

https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

[Yuli Ban]

https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

You've got to use the full URL

[As We Rise]

If someone were to assassinate DJT, they had better hope to whatever deity they believe in (if any) that they take out Pence as well, for if Trump is a spawn of Satan, then Mike Pence is Satan himself.

[Yuli Ban]

AWS, I'm just gonna warn you now, you might wanna just drop a nuke in Washington. Trump's secretary of state will likely be someone just as ultra-conservative as Pence. Perhaps it might even be Sarah Palin! Ooh, imagine that.

Someone In Trump-Land Just Leaked a List of Cabinet Positions--And "Secretary" Sarah Palin Is On It

 

But hey! That's what happens when the DNC nominates a corporate witch, an aristocratic bitch spawned from the anus of Wall Street, and tries to tell the peasants that we're too stupid to understand how awesome she is and crucifies the socialist Jew carpenter who wanted actual change.

[As We Rise]

AWS, I'm just gonna warn you now, you might wanna just drop a nuke in Washington. Trump's secretary of state will likely be someone just as ultra-conservative as Pence. Perhaps it might even be Sarah Palin! Ooh, imagine that.

Someone In Trump-Land Just Leaked a List of Cabinet Positions--And "Secretary" Sarah Palin Is On It

 

But hey! That's what happens when the DNC nominates a corporate witch, an aristocratic bitch spawned from the anus of Wall Street, and tries to tell the peasants that we're too stupid to understand how awesome she is and crucifies the socialist Jew carpenter who wanted actual change.

Why doesn't someone just go and self-destruct all American nuclear warheads in their silos? I mean, America is going to fall anyway, with Democrats and Republicans being as unbelievably stupid as they are.

[Recyvuym]

[kjaggard]

[Yuli Ban]

Yeah, the Dems are 

 

Fuck't.

 

 

The Democrats are not gonna fight. Progressives, yes. But the only people who still think that the Democrats are "progressives" are the Breitbart crowd who call everything left of hard-right "socialist/communist/progressive" and the Democrats themselves who live in this delusional fantasyland where Clinton was the most progressive candidate in history.

 

 

 

But there's something on my mind that's been bugging me. I have no doubt that the GOP is going to get dickraped in 4 years after the New Depression comes about, and pendulum will swing to the Left again. Not to the benefit of the Democrats, don't get me wrong.

 

But doesn't anybody realize that financial crashes are like when you pull that pendulum back and then let it go? The Great Depression led to totalitarian regimes all across Europe, Asia, and South America. The Great Recession just led to some more authoritarian regimes, but no more totalitarian ones than any that didn't already exist. 

 

A second great depression would definitely bring back totalitarianism. And this, my colleagues, might be where the Right fucked itself by rising up too soon. The populist revolutions of 2016 brought the alt-right to power. But when the shit hits the fan, that pendulum's gonna reach the apex. So when it swings, we might very well see such a hard leftwards swing that... well...

 

Might as well say "Washington S.C.", or "Washington, Soviet of Columbia."

 

Don't hold me to that. But this election definitely crystallized that fate, that we'll see very far-left demagogues rise circa 2019, 2020, 2021. The United Russia party will fall to second place, while the Communist Party of Russia takes power, and might even take absolute power. Jeremy Corbyn would be considered a right wing reactionary compared to what's coming on the horizon in the UK and Europe. 

 

And the Democrats? 

 

Ohh...

 

Jakob, Linux? You think you hated the Democrats for being Uptown Liberals? You might wanna move somewhere else come 2020. 

 

Globalism's gonna get smashed, and hard— but the globalist left and the new right are not gonna like what's coming soon.

 

I can't even say I would like it, because I know those forces too well since I mingled with them back in 2013 and part of 2014. But what can I do? I'm just a simple man living in bumfuck nowhere. And fuck, it's better than what we could have gotten if Clinton won and utterly disgraced the left come the GFC.

 

All I can say, though, is this: I told you so!

[kjaggard]

http://www.livescien...lence-2020.html

 

 

Circa 1870, the North fought the South in the Civil War. Half a century later, around 1920, worker unrest, racial tensions and anti-Communist sentiment caused another nationwide upsurge of violence. Then, 50 years later, the Vietnam War and Civil Rights Movement triggered a third peak in violent political, social and racial conflict. Fifty years after that will be 2020. If history continues to repeat itself, we can expect a violent upheaval in the United States in a few years.

[Recyvuym]

But doesn't anybody realize that financial crashes are like when you pull that pendulum back and then let it go? The Great Depression led to totalitarian regimes all across Europe, Asia, and South America. The Great Recession just led to some more authoritarian regimes, but no more totalitarian ones than any that didn't already exist.

I'm not going to discount the possibility that maybe all these far-right parties represent a sort of adversarial force for true progressives to overcome in the next four to eight years.

But I'm not getting my hopes up. For one thing, I don't think it's going to be all neo-fascism across the globe. The pendulum is swinging in both directions at once in different places. The essential thing here is that the 'fulcrum' is lost - centrist governments will largely be dead in five years.

A financial crash followed by civil unrest and the rise of totalitarianisn is exactly what I've been warning people about since we got here. If you're starting to see the writing on the wall, for god's sake, don't just sit back and let history repeat itself in your country. Either get into the system and fix it now while there's still time, or get out of there before it's too late.

[Recyvuym]

Some further reflections on the nature and dynamics of the Trump presidency.

 

I can't comment specifically on the inner workings of the Republican Party. But my understanding of the dynamic we're seeing here is that Donald Trump's position is going to be largely based on charisma and ideology. He's going to give the big sweeping statements and win the crowds over, while the Party proper works on some interpretation or another of his edicts. There was a similar relationship between Hitler and the rest of the Nazi Party, though it's worth noting Hitler did increasingly micromanage the war as it went on.

 

We have seen that Donald and his speech-writers are actually quite capable at swaying crowds. When he needs to incite them and stir controversy, he does it without trying. When he offers an olive branch, even his opposition begrudgingly admits he's finally being level-headed. I expect him to be a mix of a figurehead and a very broad policy director. He'll make shows of strength and his campaign promises will inform the decisions of the party to some degree.

 

But beyond that, this is really the GOP's show. Unfortunately, what we can expect from them is literally neo-fascism. That's because the GOP was supposed to, as others have noted, die here, and be restructured into a more reasonable alternative to the Democrats. Instead, it has risen from death like an archlich. People are protesting that this "wasn't supposed to happen" and indeed it wasn't - their values are regressive and far behind the times, and they will represent a strong adversarial force to the progress and long-term survival of the human race in general. Make no mistake, the assortment of Ben "Yes I'd kill thousands of children :)" and Chris "Fucking Disgusting" Christy et al is even more noxious than the administration of Dick Cheney and his pet George. These are next-gen neocons here to fuck reality into submission to their deluded, sadistic, racist version of God. It's not gonna be pretty. And what's worse is they have unprecedented levels of control. Not only do they have the White House - not only do they have the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court. They also have Obama's unprecedented emergency powers, such as the new and improved NDAA that allows the president to apprehend anybody in the world, without notice or trial, indefinitely. And unprecedented domestic surveillance technology. And the biggest military in the world. And don't forget God. Oh do they ever have God on their side.

 

And it gets worse. Because when Bush's administration took office, we were at the peak peace. We're now in the middle of a 15-year global war without borders and with no end in sight, with terrorism and refugees alike escalating to record levels, the world's economies are all fucked, the ecosystem is dying, the planet is warming up noticeably, robots are taking everyone's jobs, new superpowers are vying for dominance, and Kanye West thinks it's his turn to be president next. Things just are not looking good no matter which way you cut it. Having these guys in power at such a pivotal moment in human history is an unmitigated catastrophe.

 

My biggest fear though is that Trump will get in again. Previously I suspected he was more likely to be so incompetent and recalcitrant that he would prove unfit for office. Now that I've seen the degree of support he has, and seemingly quite workable party dynamics, and the way he's handled himself since winning the election... I'm not so sure. If the Republicans only get one term, they'll cause a lot of damage, probably spark a major war or two and continue to erode what few liberties America has left. If they win in 2020? I think we might be looking at totalitarian America even sooner than I thought.

 

And they might. Don't put it past them. Things are going to get extremely rough and scary in the next four years, and frightened people cling to the status quo. Even if we're talking about the new status quo where a reality TV star commands the most powerful nation in human history even though more people would have voted for a giant meteor than for him.