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According to Garry Kasparov, if you want to see what Russia's Parliment is like and its reaction to Putin, it's a lot like the GOP and Trump:

https://mobile.twitt...065508720959491

In the waning days of Russian democracy, when there were still opposition forces in Parliament, they would still speak to the people. The rest just tried to echo and flatter Putin, because that’s where the real power was. The GOP today sounds like them.



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I actually hadn't heard this before. I always heard that he refused to pick sides and gave a soft, unsatisfactory condemnation.

 

 

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I actually hadn't heard this before. I always heard that he refused to pick sides and gave a soft, unsatisfactory condemnation.

 

 

 

Same, fake Democratic party funded narrative. Nothing new there, the GOP does it too. It makes me wonder what other misconceptions and false ideas I hold due to rampant information warfare. This much is sure, my pile of political zines written by locals and classical philosophy books aren't funded by any conglomerate. 



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I actually hadn't heard this before. I always heard that he refused to pick sides and gave a soft, unsatisfactory condemnation.

 

 

 

Same, fake Democratic party funded narrative. Nothing new there, the GOP does it too. It makes me wonder what other misconceptions and false ideas I hold due to rampant information warfare. This much is sure, my pile of political zines written by locals and classical philosophy books aren't funded by any conglomerate. 

 

Original thinkers and intellectuals ftw


If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill

You don't decide your future. You decide your habits, and your habits decide your future.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. - Abraham Lincoln.


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I actually hadn't heard this before. I always heard that he refused to pick sides and gave a soft, unsatisfactory condemnation.

 

 

 

Same, fake Democratic party funded narrative. Nothing new there, the GOP does it too. It makes me wonder what other misconceptions and false ideas I hold due to rampant information warfare. This much is sure, my pile of political zines written by locals and classical philosophy books aren't funded by any conglomerate. 

 

Original thinkers and intellectuals ftw

 

We need to temporarily reorient our us vs them politics into:

"People who support maintenance of a critical and well informed populace" Vs "Enemies of Democracy"

 

If anyone talks about "spinning" a story or "controlling the narrative" they should be banned from politics for life (including working with or for political campaigns).

 

At the same time we need like 1/2 of people's education time devoted to figuring out how reliable sources are, and using/trusting them accordingly.

(This is a thousand times more useful than actually learning any specific thing in today's world!)

 

Ownership and size of any news organisation needs to be monitored closely, to avoid a small group controlling any more than a single newspaper or channel. Any news organisation that lies (i.e. reports things that are known to be, or later turn out to be factually inaccurate, also including reporting news that 'someone else is reporting news that X happened') should need to print exactly equal size retraction and pay big fines if they cant prove they did legitimate research!



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The criticism of Trump was about what happened after he gave that speech.  The speech was well-received, and people applauded him for giving it.  But then, later, he undercut his own message with his very-fine-people-on-both-sides rhetoric.  He was criticized by both Democrats and Republicans.  Even Mitch McConnell issued a statement:

 

https://www.politico...comments-241696

 

The consensus at the time was that this was a calculated move on Trump's part to throw a bone to his white supremacist and racist supporters -- to let them know he wasn't throwing them under the bus.

 

Trump is racist, but I doubt he is a backroom supporter of organized white supremicism a la O Brother Where Art Thou.  His support for white supremacism is more implicit and opportunistic.



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/\ Fair enough but I was genuinely under the impression he never even addressed the killing in an explicit way and his only speech was the both sides one. That doesn't make it better. I know Trump self controdicts and backpeddles like almost every politician. It's more that the speech condemning the attacks never entered my radar that bothers me.

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Hard-won budget, debt deal clears Senate, advances to Trump

Source: Associated Press

2 minutes ago


WASHINGTON (AP) — A hard-won budget and debt deal easily cleared the Senate on Thursday, powered by President Donald Trump’s endorsement and a bipartisan drive to cement recent spending increases for the Pentagon and domestic agencies.

The legislation passed by a 67-28 vote as Trump and his GOP allies relied on lots of Democratic votes to propel it over the finish line.

Passage marked a drama-free solution to a worrisome set of looming Washington deadlines as both allies and adversaries of the president set aside ideology in exchange for relative fiscal peace and stability. The measure, which Trump has promised to sign, would permit the government to resume borrowing to pay all its bills and would set an overall $1.37 trillion limit on agency budgets approved by Congress annually.

It does nothing to stem the government’s spiraling debt and the return of $1 trillion-plus deficits but it also takes away the prospect of a government shutdown in October or the threat of deep automatic spending cuts .

 


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Read more: https://apnews.com/9...3d4051c84c547e5



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I realized today that the main reason why Trump doesn't freak me out is because he's not trying to be a dictator like so many liberals think he is, despite so many of his actions. He's just a trust fund baby given presidential power and hasn't turned off his businessman way of thinking (and likely can't). He's trying to run America more like a corporation, and corporations do have authoritarian elements— the board of CEOs and the president at the top, the investors, the managerial class, and so on, with the expendable workers at the bottom who need to be convinced not to work for the other guy (except in the national case, the "other guy" literally also co-runs the same company). Corporate types need to know all the bullshit phrases and slogans to get the workers at least half-motivated, and in the USA's case, that's a lot of pandering to the theme park ideas of what America was like (i.e. manly men mining coal, TV-sitcom-friendly nuclear families in Stepford, Church-going God-fearing people, a massive and well-respected military, and a complete 100% dominance over the world). I think of him as being the granddad who watches Fox News and has simple ideas to complex problems, except he became president and has consistently been in over his head.
 
Ultimately, however, I don't think of him as being a dictator or even a potential one because I don't think he even has the work ethic to be a dictator; he's about as likely to be a dictator as Obama was. It's his opening the potential for a future dictator if America isn't reinforced for the possibility via enabling the alt-right that gives me pause.

And as I've said in the India & Pakistan thread, the Hindutva movement is the kind of thing I fear the alt-right becoming. The alt-right is divided and scattered because its power base lies almost totally with trolls, some conservative nationalist Millennials, and a load of Baby Boomers, and it competes with mainline conservatism and centrism and "regular" far-rightism. They tend to be united because rightists usually are (contrast with leftists, who are almost always infighting with each other), but they aren't the same for the same reason monarchists, fascists, and anarcho-capitalists aren't the same despite often working together. Something like Hindutva has widespread support across India and actually is conservative politics in the country because it was fostered over the course of decades, essentially molding entire generations' viewpoints.

The sleazy businessman mindset is what separates Trump from the likes of Modi, who genuinely are politicians who believe in what they spout.


And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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Trump retweets post promoting conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein's death

https://thehill.com/...y-about-jeffrey

President Trump on Saturday retweeted a post promoting a conspiracy theory about Jeffrey Epstein's death.

The tweet, by Twitter user Terrence K. Williams, blamed the death on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton and does not provide evidence.

The tweet included the hashtags #ClintonBodyCount and #ClintonCrimeFamily, as well as a photo of both the former president and secretary of state. Conspiracy theories linking the death to both the Clinton and Trump himself trended Saturday on Twitter.


Why am I not surprised?

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Ultimately, however, I don't think of him as being a dictator or even a potential one because I don't think he even has the work ethic to be a dictator; he's about as likely to be a dictator as Obama was.


He tries to be, but is constrained by law. There are limits to what he can do. Even so, there have been things like the response to the Puerto Rico disaster relief; the immigrant detention and child separation policy (which didn't originate with Trump, but has been made worse); rollback of environmental protections; dismantling of Obamacare; cozying-up with people like Duterte and Kim Jong-Un; and so on. One thing he has not done is start a war. Fortunately, we live in a time where it's hard to find justification for one, despite attempts to put Iran in the crosshairs.

Masha Gessen, a Putin expert who sees Trump as similar, tends to use the term "authoritarian"; and has written that what they do is evil, but not in the way that you think -- more like how a mafia or crime syndicate operates. Modern-day mafias don't kill that many people in public view; except for a few dozen Putin and oligarch enemies, in the case of Russia.

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Regardless of how Trump may feel, it is certainly true that the Trump administration is trying to drive regime change in Iran and Venezuela. They are actually sanctioning medicine going into Iran, which is a pretty sinister form of economic warfare. Also, the US is now seizing food shipments in the Panama canal, belying the stated rationale for intervening in the first place to "let the aid reach the starving people of the Maduro regime."

 

What both Iran and Venezuela do have, though, is oil. Bolton admitted as much to Fox News in January, saying "“It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."



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More evil and psychopathy. Just another day in the Trump administration.

 

https://www.theguard...tection-changes



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White Evangelical Christians May Have Found Something Intolerable About Trump

 

https://theweek.com/...ble-about-trump

 

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(The Week) China opened up a new front in President Trump's trade war on Monday, sending Wall Street into a tizzy.

 

Basically, China's central bank adjusted the value of its currencydown to its lowest point in over a decade. Investors, fearing President Trump will respond with another tariff escalation, reacted by fleeing stocksfor the safety of bonds and Treasuries — causing the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq to fall 3 percent and 3.5 percent, respectively, by the end of the day. And they're likely right. Yet it's also the case that the low value of the renminbi versus the U.S. dollar really is a problem worth addressing.

 

… One option (for the U.S.) is to discourage the buying. For example, the U.S. government could impose a fee or tax on all foreign purchases of U.S. assets. Instead of slapping a tariff on Americans buying Chinese goods and services, we'd essentially slap a tariff on Chinese buyers purchasing U.S. financial instruments. Sens. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), for example, just put forward a bill that would give the Federal Reserve a new additional mandate to balance America's trade flows with the world within five years. And the tool they give the Fed to do this is a new fee to be imposed on all foreign purchases of U.S. stocks and bonds and so forth — effectively making it more expensive for China to engage in this sort of manipulation.

 

… Another option is to get even more surgical: America could buy up Chinese financial assets until the effect of their purchases of our assets are counterbalanced. In short, if China (or anyone else) raises the value of the U.S. dollar relative to their currency by creating demand for our assets, we can raise the value of their currency relative to ours by buying their assets, and neutralize the whole affair. Indeed, the easiest way to do this might be to take the same route Baldwin and Hawley did: Direct the Federal Reserve to bring our trade flows into balance by buying up financial assets denominated in China's renminbi, or in the currency of any other country our trade flows are out of whack with due to these sorts of interventions.

 

 

American so-called Christians are so weird:

 

Liberal:  He is in denial regarding global warming

 

"Christian":  No big deal

 

Liberal: He is a pathological liar.

 

"Christian": So what.

 

Liberal:  He separates immigrant children fro their parents.

 

"Christian":  Ho-humm

 

Liberal:  He supports White Supremacists.

 

"Christian":  No problem there.

 

Conservative Christian: He uses the Lord's name in vain.

 

"Christian": What!  Why that is simply intolerable!


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This is a funny (and petty) CNN piece about how Trump has stepped up use of "central casting" and "good-looking", when referring to men:

https://www.cnn.com/...ooks/index.html

I'm guessing that the older he gets, the more sensitive he gets about his own looks declining in comparison to other men.

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I'm guessing that the older he gets, the more sensitive he gets about his own looks declining in comparison to other men.

He seems to be in denial about it, too:

 

"I just feel like a young man - I'm so young, I can't believe it! I'm the youngest person. I am a young, vibrant man."

https://www.youtube....h?v=6l3MNmgHWOQ

 

All the toupées, spray tan and skin cream in the world won't change the fact that Trump, too, will wither and succumb to the ravages of time. He will not look like that when he's 80.



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Scoop: Trump suggested nuking hurricanes to stop them from hitting U.S.

Source: Axios



President Trump has suggested multiple times to senior Homeland Security and national security officials that they explore using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from hitting the United States, according to sources who have heard the president's private remarks and been briefed on a National Security Council memorandum that recorded those comments.

Behind the scenes: During one hurricane briefing at the White House, Trump said, "I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them?" according to one source who was there. "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?" the source added, paraphrasing the president's remarks.

Asked how the briefer reacted, the source recalled he said something to the effect of, "Sir, we'll look into that."

Trump replied by asking incredulously how many hurricanes the U.S. could handle and reiterating his suggestion that the government intervene before they make landfall.

 

Read more: https://www.axios.co...9cf0e3f51c.html



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Deutsche Bank tells court it has tax returns tied to Trump family businesses

Source: The Hill



Deutsche Bank said in a court filing Tuesday that it has tax returns relevant to House Democrats' subpoenas for financial records of President Trump, his family and his businesses, but the bank didn't publicly identify whose returns it had.

The bank also said in its letter to a federal appeals court in New York that it has tax returns "related to parties not named in the Subpoenas but who may constitute 'immediate family' within the definition provided in the Subpoenas."

Deutsche Bank also filed a nonredacted letter under seal to the court.

The letter comes after appeals court judges ordered Deutsche Bank and Capital One to tell them whether they had any tax returns for people and entities named in the subpoenas.

 


Read more: https://thehill.com/...mily-businesses



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This is funny:

https://beta.washing...618c_story.html


Trump accuses Fox News of ‘heavily promoting the Democrats,’ urges followers to look for another news outlet

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“The New @FoxNews is letting millions of GREAT people down!” Trump wrote in a series of tweets. “We have to start looking for a new News Outlet. Fox isn’t working for us anymore!”



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Users of a Major Online Trump Hub Expect They’ll Be Kicked off Reddit—and They Don’t Know Where to Go

 

https://www.motherjo...ban_quarantine/

 

Introduction:

 

(Mother Jones) For years, Reddit had hesitated to take action against one of its most prominent toxic communities: r/The_Donald, which in addition to being the site’s fan club for supporters of President Trump, has become a noxious hotbed of hate speech and bigotry. That finally changed on June 26 when Reddit “quarantined” r/The_Donald message board, making it harder for some users to access its content. Reddit quarantines often end in bans, and The_Donald’s users are trying to figure out where to they might go if the company shuts them down.

 

Public agreement has been hard to come by. In Reddit threads and in their group on Telegram, an encrypted messaging app, The_Donald members have weighed potential new homes on obscure “free speech platforms” and found the options lacking.


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