The Obama administration, of which Biden was a part, threatened to withhold the loans.
So Biden did indeed withhold $1billion in U.S loans.
Agreed. The Obama administration in general is responsible and I'll add that Biden is at least partially responsible.
To reach that conclusion in this case, you must end up adopting what may very well be a "fake news false controversy this entire string of conversation has turned into." That is to say, that even if one concedes that there was an appearance of a conflict of interest, it does not follow that Biden acted improperly due to that possible conflict. The argument presented in the Alternet article that I cited is that Biden did not let that conflict affect his actions in a corrupted manner. Quite the opposite of acting the role of a "rich snake" exploiting his position pf power. The article further argues that Biden acted to present a policy that opposed corruption within Ukraine. That he opposed corruption rather than embrace it.
The conclusion, like most always, is that most democrat and republican politicians are rich snakes willing to exploit their positions of power for personal gain while perpetuating a system that is designed to aid them in doing so. This of course includes Biden.
Yes, given the limited argument I gave what you're saying makes sense. I should be more clear and I was a fool for not being upfront to begin with and dragging myself into the controversy I intended to diffuse. You're right that the potential for conflict of interest to be taken advantage of does not mean it actually was. And you may be right that Biden didn't act improperly within the context of this controversy. I don't know because I honestly haven't looked into it because I don't think it's relevant. I'll admit I was being inflammatory up there with my sensationalist statement that "Biden did indeed deny aid."
The thing that I was trying and failing to drive at and alluded to with my fake news and false controversy comment is that both Trump and Biden are corrupt and this entire debate is frivolous and nothing more than a distraction.
To take an example for Biden in the case of Ukraine right now. (We'll get to Trump.) It's no secret that the Biden campaign today is accepting lobbying money from the military industrial complex. I don't need to give a source, a quick search will turn up dozens of journalists talking about it where the military industrial complex is only one of many such lobbying groups. I consider political lobbying as it is done today in the United States political corruption. It is literally paying politicians to favor/write laws for you and or your organization. There are studies that representatives write laws in ~90% of cases only with the support of lobbyists with the electorate being represented a measly ~10% of the time and often less. It doesn't matter if the legal system calls political corruption by a different name it is still political corruption.
Where does Biden come in on this particular example? He was part of the Obama administration which actively spurred the fuel of war in Libya and stoked tensions in Ukraine to the profit off of the military industrial complex. That's the first point. The second point is that Biden even offering political aid in Ukraine is a corrupt action because the intent is so clearly to strengthen Ukraine against Russia in turn creating tension and justifying the profits of the military industrial complex of which Biden benefits. Talks about U.S interests and realpolitik be forsaken the man is making money from the game of politics at the expense of his electorate and that is wrong by core American principles and my own personal ethics.
Why is Trump corrupt? Practically the same argument with slight differences in minutia that aren't really important for this discussion. The Trump administration has also historically given aid to Ukraine regardless of this recent controversy which again isn't really relevant. And if it's not Ukraine right now it's Saudi Arabia or some other country.
My point is that they're both snakes and most of either party are snakes. I'm not being hyperbolic, a causal relation between their pockets and the money of countless industries is in plain view and the tragedy of the century is that it's legal. I don't really know what else to call people like that but snakes. And when both are snakes a national controversy over who is the biggest snake is pointlessly divisive and accomplishes nothing.
More importantly no one I knew followed or cared about what either Biden or Trump was doing in Ukraine before every media outlet in the whole country unleashed their army of payed shills onto the topic. This isn't journalism, none of these articles are being honest. If they were they'd be talking about political corruption in general and maybe use these events as a launching point for that discussion. They'd be widening the field of debate and explaining why the topic is relevant to normal people. Instead they're taking turns flinging pies in the face of whichever candidate their particular boss doesn't like while raking in millions of views and making everyone angry for no good reason.
The politicians are corrupt, journalism in this country is a plague and I'm tired of everyone around me being sick with the pestilence they're spreading.
Edit: This post is more than just a response to Caltrek. I intend for it to apply to the vast majority of debate around "controversy" of this nature. Get better at spotting propaganda people, lest you become the propagandist.