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I hope the Socialists nominate Crooked Hillary in 2020...that way they'll lose all credibility on the national stage. This will lead to an new Era of Good Feeling in the 2020s, but it won't last long--soon the Republicans will split apart into Libertarians, traditional conservatives, and Trump conservatives, and we'll no longer be locked up in a two-party mess where one of the parties are socialist in all but name.

 

The only thing that would be better is if this happened and the GOP nominates a libertarian instead of Trump.



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Actually, I hope the Democrats fuck themselves apart in time for 2020. 

 

That way I can finally get the National Technist Party started and subsequently off the ground. We'll be able to sweep the country by 2024 by subverting the fractured Left and turning them into ultracentrists.

 

After all, I'm sure Silicon Valley— the silicon barons— will be more than willing to support an order that stands by and for their interests.

Maybe we can also get a foothold in Korea once Trump knocks out the North.


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You'll never get anywhere. Perhaps in time, like many youthful radicals, you'll mature and your views will become more rational.



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You'll never get anywhere. Perhaps in time, like many youthful radicals, you'll mature and your views will become more rational.

These views are rational. 

 

In fact, these views are the height of rationalism. It's egalitarianism and liberalism that are irrational. Especially in the modern era, where we have become so overcome by irrationality that we are pursuing things totally opposed to egalitarianism in the name of egalitarianism (i.e. Affirmative Action).

 

Ain't it funny, though, how when people eventually come around to what the future holds and also give up on the Left, they become something very much like a national technist? I've seen this phenomenon surprisingly often. Scouring Reddit, Voat, Tumblr, and even other forums yields the same result.

 

Some damned collegian got so disillusioned by the 2016 election and is also so interested in transhumanism, automation, etc. that that they begin realizing the limits of how the old order can function in this new age. If not hardline technism, then either Market or Marxism-Vyrdism.

 

We're so desperate to keep the spirit of the 1950s and 1960s alive (see: the policies of Trump and Clinton) that we're willing to adopt this schizophrenic delusion that nothing's changed and that nothing will change. We elect leaders who can't operate an email server properly (I strongly doubt Trump's any better than Clinton in this regard, and I doubt Obama was even that good at it) and probably can't understand the difference between a smartphone and a tablet in an age where scientists are experimenting with putting micro smartphones in our brains.

 

 

Something's going to give. And Generation Z will likely be the one to break it.


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You'll never get anywhere. Perhaps in time, like many youthful radicals, you'll mature and your views will become more rational.

These views are rational. 

 

In fact, these views are the height of rationalism. It's egalitarianism and liberalism that are irrational. Especially in the modern era, where we have become so overcome by irrationality that we are pursuing things totally opposed to egalitarianism in the name of egalitarianism (i.e. Affirmative Action).

 

Come on, you're better than this. Liberalism was a direct product of Enlightenment ideals. Can't get much more rational than that. The modern Democrats are not liberals. They are socialist authoritarians calling themselves liberals. If you want to know where the real liberals are, look at the libertarians (with a small l). Egalitarianism too is noble, but the Democrats have perverted that too, changing it from equality before the law and equal opportunity to the nonsensical equal outcome garbage.

 

And then you come and rant about sterilizing people whose political persuasions rub you the wrong way.



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I don't actually identify as an authoritarian, of course (hence why I keep saying all these crypto-fascist statements are tongue in cheek). If I had my way, I'd turn America into something resembling Estonia.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia

 

I've been hailing Estonia for years now. It seems to have everything I'd want in a nation: highly tech-savvy leaders, a government that doesn't intrude too heavily in the economy, extreme entrepreneurialism, secularism/irreligiosity, and not much income inequality despite the relatively libertarian government. 

I just don't like egalitarianism that much. Maybe it made sense in the 1700s-1900s, but we're fast developing the technologies that will render it obsolete. The neural lace and cortical modem are the beginning of this, and that's just on the human front. Not even factoring in AI. Let's assume AGI never happens. The neural lace and cortical modems still will. What happens when augmented humans run for office, enter business, and go into sports? Going "naturalistic" will only get you so far. And who knows, perhaps there will be laws created that unaugmented humans cannot meaningfully understand but we can still break. What then?


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I don't actually identify as an authoritarian, of course (hence why I keep saying all these crypto-fascist statements are tongue in cheek).

You never once said that...

 


I just don't like egalitarianism that much.

You oppose equality before the law and want to repeal the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments?



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You never once said that...

I'm mistaken, I said this to Joe, not you. I could've sworn I said this to you before.

You oppose equality before the law and want to repeal the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments?

Considering how, in practice, we don't have equality before the law, I'm not that much of a stickler in keeping that around.
The 13th amendment? Hell no. Slavery is unjustifiable, even to someone of the NRx variety. Hence why I'm always for droids of a sub-intelligent level— enough intelligence for them to do whatever job is necessary, but not enough to gain a sense of self.
Torn on the 14th and 15th, of course. There just is no good reason to. As long as intelligent people are on the ballot, I don't care who votes.


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I think maybe you should have a look into what egalitarianism replaced i.e. the paradigm where (broadly speaking) people born in a more advantageous situation were considered inherently superior to anyone born in worse circumstances. 

 (hence nobility, monarchy etc.)

 

You seem to think that egalitarianism and a meritocracy are somehow not compatible? 

 

The central point of egalitariansim is not that all humans are equal in ability. It is that all humans are "created equal" i.e you don't deserve better or worse treatment because of the circumstances of your birth.

 

Your actions should matter, your origins should not. 


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I think maybe you should have a look into what egalitarianism replaced i.e. the paradigm where (broadly speaking) people born in a more advantageous situation were considered inherently superior to anyone born in worse circumstances. 
 (hence nobility, monarchy etc.)
 
You seem to think that egalitarianism and a meritocracy are somehow not compatible? 
 
The central point of egalitariansim is not that all humans are equal in ability. It is that all humans are "created equal" i.e you don't deserve better or worse treatment because of the circumstances of your birth.
 
Your actions should matter, your origins should not.

And my point is: how does this make sense in a world where some are born as pureblood sapiens relatively equal to all others while others are created as superhumans or even synthetic intelligences? In a world where the ability to wipe memories or create memories becomes possible, where some facets of society become so complex that the unaugmented cannot understand what they are viewing? It becomes less like what we know of and more like a zoo. 


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 It becomes less like what we know of and more like a zoo. 

 

 

But a lot of animals in zoos don't understand that they're in a zoo. :)

 

If they don't understand something that is inconceivable, it isn't a problem at all - in fact, they won't even suspect anything, right?


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In fact, these views are the height of rationalism. It's egalitarianism and liberalism that are irrational. Especially in the modern era, where we have become so overcome by irrationality that we are pursuing things totally opposed to egalitarianism in the name of egalitarianism (i.e. Affirmative Action).

 

 

 

Egalitarianism too is noble, but the Democrats have perverted that too, changing it from equality before the law and equal opportunity to the nonsensical equal outcome garbage.

 

 

Affirmative Action is not opposite egalitarianism.  It is a process undertaken to correct the lack of egalitarianism.  All it means is that affirmative processes are undertaken to consider qualified candidates for job openings.  Process that are rendered necessary because existing processes discriminate against certain minorities. 

 

At most, the lack of an equal outcome is taken as one indicator of discrimination.  It is only one indicator and is not sufficient in and of itself to rove discriminatory practices. It simply raise the question" why was there an unequal outcome.

 

What could be moire rational than that?


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And my point is: how does this make sense in a world where some are born as pureblood sapiens relatively equal to all others while others are created as superhumans or even synthetic intelligences? In a world where the ability to wipe memories or create memories becomes possible, where some facets of society become so complex that the unaugmented cannot understand what they are viewing? It becomes less like what we know of and more like a zoo. 

 

 

Alislaws has already explained why it makes sense:

 

" It is that all humans are "created equal" i.e you don't deserve better or worse treatment because of the circumstances of your birth.

 
Your actions should matter, your origins should not."

 

In other word you should not be pre-judged because of your origins.  If you are a transhuman, then your superiority should be judged over the course of time based on your accomplishments, not simply because you are transhuman and somebody has made the prejudicial judgement that you are therefore superior.  To prejudge the situation is the height of irrationality and is opposite the spirit of the scientific method.  

 

Now, if after a few decades of "proof" that transhumans are somehow superior to humans, then this stance can be re-examined.  We are a long way from having reached that point. In any event, it may not need to be re-examined simply because on a level playing field, transhumans will excel anyway.


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Senator Kirsten Gillibrand Not Interested In Running for President

 

http://www.msn.com/e...ID=ansmsnnews11

 

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WASHINGTON — At least one big-name New York politician is claiming to have no national 2020 ambitions.

 

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who's long generated buzz about a potential presidential bid, told State of Politics that she has no plans to run against President Trump.

"Well, I'm dedicated to serving our state as our senator and I'm running for reelection so I can continue to be their senator," she said during a stop at Fort Drum in the state's North Country region.

 

"I'm focused entirely on running for Senate, so yes, I'm ruling it out," she continued.

 

Politicians often deny national ambitions until they're ready to announce — especially if they have to win reelection first. But Gillibrand sounds a bit more unequivocal than others have been.

 

 

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Senator Kirsten Gillibrand at the Democratic National Convention.

 

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Mark Pincus and Reid Hoffman are launching a new group to rethink the Democratic Party

Silicon Valley leaders seek to transform Dems into technoprogressive party

Mark Pincus and Reid Hoffman want to hack the Democratic Party.


Not literally. Not the likes of what befell the team behind Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, resulting in scores of private emails being published online — and countless news stories that helped seal her defeat. No, Pincus, the co-founder of Zynga, and Hoffman, the brains behind LinkedIn, want to force Democrats to rewire their philosophical core, from their agenda to the way they choose candidates in elections — the stuff of politics, they said, that had been out of reach for most voters long before Donald Trump became president.
That's the guiding principle behind Win the Future, a new project by the tech duo that's launching in time for July 4. The effort — called, yes, WTF for short — aims to be "a new movement and force within the Democratic Party, which can act like its own virtual party," said Pincus, its lead architect, during an interview.


There are groups that newly seek to topple conservatives in congressional districtsinvest in new campaign-tech startups, prop up more diverse federal candidates and empower state and local office-seekers who have struggled to use modern-day digital tools, and they all face the same fundamental challenge in penetrating and changing the Democratic Party's official organs. Even Hillary Clinton exited the 2016 presidential election exasperated by the DNC. Even DNC veterans — upset with her comments — acknowledge that the party still has much work to do.
To Pincus, at least, there's reason for hope. "Maybe they don't go in a back room in a Doubletree Hotel and emerge and tell us what they agreed is the party platform," he said. "Maybe there are some people in there who walk in and represent millions of peoples' wishes of what the agenda would be."


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'Run the Rock 2020' forms to draft Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson for president

A campaign committee has formally filed to draft actor and former WWE wrestler Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson for president.
“Run the Rock 2020,” the name of the official organization, was filed on behalf of Johnson with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) on Sunday, according to FEC records.
 
The paperwork was filed by a man named Kenton Tilford under a West Virginia address. Tilford's connection to Johnson and his motivation for filing the organization is not clear.
Johnson has long joked about a White House bid, playing a buff Obama on "Saturday Night Live" and standing in front of podium labeled “The Rock Johnson 2020” on the show in May. But he revealed earlier this year that his run is “a real possibility.”


I knew something like this would happen the moment Trump got the nomination. The Presidency is officially a fucking joke. Degenerates are probably going to start drooling over this, screaming "I LOVE The Rock, he's like Obama but Hot!" or "HAHAHA Demcucks are desperate MAGA".

This is why I'm so seriously interested in getting the Viginti started up, as well as why I've been keeping the Technism and Vyrdism subreddits relatively clean lately. I'm waiting until this all blows over.


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Fuck it, if this guy gets any votes, democracy in the US is officially dead. Democracy requires responsible and knowledgeable citizens, not a bunch of brain dead idiots voting for their favourite TV celebrity every 4 years. Btw, what are the Viginti?



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I figured that, if all the stars align, I'd probably try my hand at politics. However, I am utterly frightened of what political discourse has become in America, so I figured that— when I have enough money— I'd hire my own private protection force. Viginti or "20" sounds good to me.


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I doubt he'll get many votes, unless he turns out to be really really good at speeches etc. and gets a good team around him to do the real work. 

 

Or he could do it if the media  spend more time talking about him during primaries than every other candidate put together. Thats always a big help. 



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I knew it. I fucking knew this would happen.
 

Kid Rock Files To Run For Michigan Senate Seat

Kid Rock, the singer whose career has spanned rap, hard rock and country music, is fueling the speculation that he intends to announce a bid for the U.S. Senate next year to challenge incumbent Democrat Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. That is unless it's all a publicity stunt.
In a post on his personal website Thursday evening, the 46-year-old singer wrote, "Like politicians write books during their campaigns, I'm planning on putting out music during mine and IT ALL STARTS TONIGHT AT MIDNIGHT." On Friday, Kid Rock announced he is releasing two new songs.
The post continued, "Senator Stabenow and I do share a love of music, although probably not the same kind. I concede she is better at playing politics than I am so I'll keep doing what I do best, which is being a voice for tax paying, hardworking AMERICANS..."


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