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Name one Major advancement of the 2010's


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I think you're underestimating the amount of money to be made from running driverless taxi fleets, there will be big lobbying $$$s pushing this. The only people fighting it will be unions etc. and they almost never win anything in long term. 

 

 

I don't see how a fleet of dangerous vehicles is going to make money in the long run if its passengers keep getting killed. We'll just have to wait and see, of course, but I don't mind going on the record as being completely against autonomous cars that use today's technology, no matter how finely that technology is tuned or well it is trained.



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I think you're underestimating the amount of money to be made from running driverless taxi fleets, there will be big lobbying $$$s pushing this. The only people fighting it will be unions etc. and they almost never win anything in long term. 

 

 

I don't see how a fleet of dangerous vehicles is going to make money in the long run if its passengers keep getting killed. We'll just have to wait and see, of course

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I'm not following your logic. Are you saying that because there are so many yearly traffic deaths that the situation justifies putting dangerous cars on the road?



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The point is that making the autonomous cars less dangerous than humans is not actually very difficult. and we currently tolerate loads of dangerous cars on the road as it is.



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The point is that making the autonomous cars less dangerous than humans is not actually very difficult. and we currently tolerate loads of dangerous cars on the road as it is.

 

How do you know Yuli Ban's point?

 

*My* point is that, with current technology, making autonomous cars acceptably safe is not just *very* difficult, but impossible. I thought I made that clear, but maybe not.



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If it is 1/2 as dangerous as human controlled cars than it is worth it.

 

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I think people are scared of autonomous car errors. At least with human error there is something accountable and purposeful to its cause. When an autonomous car hits a cyclist full force, killing him without even registering the obstruction, then it's a software bug.

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The point is that making the autonomous cars less dangerous than humans is not actually very difficult. and we currently tolerate loads of dangerous cars on the road as it is.

 

How do you know Yuli Ban's point?

 

*My* point is that, with current technology, making autonomous cars acceptably safe is not just *very* difficult, but impossible. I thought I made that clear, but maybe not.

Alislaws understood my point very well. When it comes to new technology, there's a sort of fallacy where any error is exaggerated to denounce the entire field while any error in the norm is written off as just the way it is. 

If you went back to 1888 and talked to people about the future of automobiles and then showed off that a million died every year because of automobile accidents (with the number proportionally changed to reflect a smaller population), they'd consider banning the technology right then and there to make sure it never reached that point. Whereas now, it's just a fact of life. 

 

In my eyes, AVs don't need to be perfect. They just need to be better than the norm. And, quite obviously, that's not a high bar to clear. It's telling when you have to point to a handful of specific accidents fresh on your memory just to "prove" how deadly AVs are, especially considering all but one of those "dangerous cars" were not actually AVs but merely "manually-driven cars with adaptive cruise control". There was only one death caused by a Level 3-grade AV thus far back in March and three other deaths caused by Level-2 AVs, and they've been parroted by many as an example of why AVs are death traps. Four deaths total.

 

In that time, how many have been killed by manually-driven cars? Since the first AV death in 2016, somewhere above 3 million have been killed by non-AVs.

 

 

Of course, you could counter by saying there aren't that many AVs on the road to begin with, and you'd be right. But that's sort of the thing: we aren't going headlong into AVs all at once. We're leveling up step by step. They aren't selling Level 4 and 5 AVs for consumers right now; most cars are still Level 2 because that's what the tech can handle. As it gets better, we'll see gradual steps forward year over year. The tech we have now is clearly not able to make fully autonomous vehicles, so no one is actually going to make the attempt. The tech we'll have in five to ten years, on the other hand, is a different story. Go see /r/ThisIsTheWayItWillBe to understand that one more.


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