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Artifitial nervous system and artifitial endocryne system for robots


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What do you think of the idea of in the future robotics become advanced enough to allow the creation of an artifitial nervous system and an artifitial endocryne/hormone system for robots? With these technologies I believe robots would be able to feel averything and anything, including temperature, pressure, pain, touch, sexual pleasure, desire and arousal, all feelings and emotions, and even mood variations.

 

I think emotional capabilities are almost all controled by temperament, which I believe is controlled by neural wiring in the brain, but I also believe that neutransmitters and hormones(including sex hormones) also contribute somewhat to emotional caracteristics and intensity.

 

So, I think that if artifitial neurotransmitters and artifitial hormones were created I think robots would feel emotions/feelings more vivd and stronger. We still could created a robot with a cold, calm and phlegmatic personality if we wanted to. Such systems could also make robots feel love and affection.

 

I know(perhaps you too) that neurotransmitters and hormones are biomolecules. The first ones are produced by neurons and brain cells that allow these cells to communicate with each other and thus they run through nerve fibers and in brain tissue. Hormones however are produced in glands like adrenal glands and the testes and ovaries, circulate throughout the circulatory system and binds into receptors in the cells.

 

To create an artifitial nervous systems a Lymbic System, artifitial spinal cord and artifitial nerves would have to be created. For the artificial hormone system I think artifitial glands and a network of special wires would have to be created. These systems should be interconnected and talk with each other. I don't think robots and androids of the future will have any liquid inside them, so the artifitial neurotransmitters and artifitial hormones will have to be something else. Energy waves if different bands and kinds and phase change materials could do the work I think. Do you believe robots in the future will mimic living organisms chemically?How would robots produce chemicals like animals do?

 

Do you think it will become possible?



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I think it would be best if they had simple "nervous systems" made of electrical wires and mechanical sensors (including small thermometers and pressure sensors). Maybe enmeshed with that it would make sense to have a secondary "bio-mechanical" nervous system similar to what you envision. 



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I think it would make more sense to modify their feelings through software. you don't need a whole system of hormone transmitters and receivers because a robot would not be motivated or affected by the state of it's body.

 

It would take a huge amount of work to recreate the systems the human body uses and make the robots much more complicated/expensive. And there is no real reason to use the same system ass humans, as you could create the same effects through (admittedly quite complicated) software.



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I think that even if both systems were pure software a network of wires or a wireless network would have to exist in order for such systems to work.

 

I think that technology progress will become so fast that an artifitial hormone and nervous system will be easy to create. And androids will be created using molecular nanotechnology, being created atom by atom.



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I like robots as much as I like the can of spray paint that I will use for my painting. They're not our evolutionary ending. Robots are our stepping stones towards a new, man-made nature. So, instead of replacing anything with artificial anything, the most efficient method IMO would be to complement natural anything with artificial anything. 

 

Redesign the neural, vascular, and lymphatic systems such that each neuron, capillary, and lymph node:

  1. operates on optoelectronics instead of ion channels, making them faster and less-constrained by particles with mass
  2. has a fixed number of flexible, full-duplex optoelectronic tendrils instead of axons and dendrites, making them highly modular

This way, wavelengths of entangled light waves, carrying both energy and information with them, will behave just as how both hormones and nutrients do in the blood.

Every biological wire can readily transmit either information, energy, matter, or combinations of them all simply by necessity. 

I imagine an extensive, branching network of such biological wiring connecting every aspect of matter, energy, and information control within our entire body.

We can even extend this outside our bodies to establish bioluminescence, laser, electric, magnetic, and radiowave communication systems.

 

Life force, thoughts, and sensations will all flow together within the same optoelectronic channels within and between individuals restricted only by the speed of light.

 

I call this...

 

Multiplexed Arrangement of Neurovascular-lympathic Activity.

 

M.A.N.A. The stuff of sufficiently advanced science, a.k.a. magic.


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As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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I like robots as much as I like the can of spray paint that I will use for my painting. They're not our evolutionary ending. Robots are our stepping stones towards a new, man-made nature. So, instead of replacing anything with artificial anything, the most efficient method IMO would be to complement natural anything with artificial anything. 

 

Redesign the neural, vascular, and lymphatic systems such that each neuron, capillary, and lymph node:

  1. operates on optoelectronics instead of ion channels, making them faster and less-constrained by particles with mass
  2. has a fixed number of flexible, full-duplex optoelectronic tendrils instead of axons and dendrites, making them highly modular

This way, wavelengths of entangled light waves, carrying both energy and information with them, will behave just as how both hormones and nutrients do in the blood.

Every biological wire can readily transmit either information, energy, matter, or combinations of them all simply by necessity. 

I imagine an extensive, branching network of such biological wiring connecting every aspect of matter, energy, and information control within our entire body.

We can even extend this outside our bodies to establish bioluminescence, laser, electric, magnetic, and radiowave communication systems.

 

Life force, thoughts, and sensations will all flow together within the same optoelectronic channels within and between individuals restricted only by the speed of light.

 

I call this...

 

Multiplexed Arrangement of Neurovascular-lympathic Activity.

 

M.A.N.A. The stuff of sufficiently advanced science, a.k.a. magic.

It's refreshing to see such creative ideas. I agree with you that posthumans will probably be a fusion of organic and synthetic components, quite possibly at the cellular level. Your vision of flexible, reconfigurable, multipurpose neurons reminds me of something I recently read about ants:

 

 

Psychology has developed a lot of precise and rigorous methods, analytical approaches and concepts to understand decision-making, learning and other aspects of cognition that have been applied to humans and other animals — but generally they’ve been applied to individuals, not to collectives. We’re using this deep well of ideas and methods to address a different kind of intelligence, a collective intelligence rather than an individual intelligence.

 
Of course, there are some obvious differences. Neurons are in a relatively fixed neuroanatomy with very specific connections. No two ants have a fixed relationship to one another. They’re constantly moving. It’s a much more fluid, dynamic kind of system. 

https://www.knowable...18/mind-anthill

 

Do you envision individual neurons being mobile within the skull and/or body? 



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Do you envision individual neurons being mobile within the skull and/or body? 

 

 

I don't imagine them being able to move. Although their wires can be bent to change connections, I'd very much like them to stay in place relative to other things connected to them, since the other things I'll be connecting to them are movable muscles. You know, just for variety. Ants are less specialized than neurons, that's why allowing them to move is beneficial to the colony. Neurons are optimized for processing information, but making them able to move by themselves seems to erase the need for cells specialized for movement.

 

While I can see the analogy in the article about an ant being a neuron and the colony as the brain, I think it's better to appropriate an ant to an individual person and the superorganism to the community that the person belongs to. Nevertheless, they're all too similar when we look at them right.


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But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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I have a curiosity: The artifitial endocrybe abd nervous systems would be much faster than biological ones since electronic wires and circuits work much faster than biological ones. And the sensors could be smaller than those of living organisms. I think that due to this robots could feel everything much stronger and more intense than people and animals does. Phase change materials could also contribute to this. Am I right?



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I have a curiosity: The artifitial endocrybe abd nervous systems would be much faster than biological ones since electronic wires and circuits work much faster than biological ones. And the sensors could be smaller than those of living organisms. I think that due to this robots could feel everything much stronger and more intense than people and animals does. Phase change materials could also contribute to this. Am I right?

Regardless of how they achieve it, it's a certainty that robots will have far better senses than humans. For example, they'll be able to hear sounds whose pitches are too low or too high for human ears. 



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The artifitial hormonal system for robots would give them artifitial genitals and gonads, so they would have gender and be assigned either male or female. The female robots would have artifital vaginas and external female genitalia and the male robots would have artifitial penis, testicles and artifitial prostate.



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Far enough in the future, anatomy and gender will become fluid. It would be unreasonable to assume that intelligent beings would want to be constrained to whatever fixed form and set of predilections they are assigned--without their consent--at the moment of their creation. Given an eternity of existence, it would be ignorant to not experiment with other modes of being. 


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