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Taiwan president calls for international support to defend democracy https://reut.rs/2TrEN24



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Xi Jinping says Taiwan 'must and will be' reunited with China

 

Chinese President Xi Jinping has urged the people of Taiwan to accept it "must and will be" reunited with China.

In a speech marking 40 years since the start of improving ties, he reiterated Beijing's call for peaceful unification on a one-country-two-systems basis.

However, he also warned that China reserved the right to use force.

While Taiwan is self-governed and de facto independent, it has never formally declared independence from the mainland.

Beijing considers the island to be a breakaway province and Mr Xi's comments are in line with China's long-standing policy towards reunification.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...-china-46733174


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Taiwan gay marriage: Parliament legalises same-sex unions
 
Taiwan's parliament has become the first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage following a vote on Friday.
 
In 2017, the island's constitutional court ruled that same-sex couples had the right to legally marry.
 
Parliament was given a two-year deadline and was required to pass the changes by 24 May.
 
Lawmakers debated three different bills to legalise same-sex unions and the government's bill, the most progressive of the three, was passed.
 
 
 
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Taiwan gay marriage: Parliament legalises same-sex unions
 
Taiwan's parliament has become the first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage following a vote on Friday.
 
In 2017, the island's constitutional court ruled that same-sex couples had the right to legally marry.
 
Parliament was given a two-year deadline and was required to pass the changes by 24 May.
 
Lawmakers debated three different bills to legalise same-sex unions and the government's bill, the most progressive of the three, was passed.
 
 
 
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That will be great for them! Until they are forcibly reunited with china and everyone's past "marital mistakes" end up on their social credit score. 

 

Why is china not pro-LGBT? Is it just social conservatism, I thought most of that stuff came from christian/muslim/Jewish faith/cultural backgrounds which were then exported by colonialism, so why's china not cool with this sort of thing?


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Curiously, many communist parties around the world are socially conservative. This is the case in Eastern Europe and Asia, at least.


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Curiously, many communist parties around the world are socially conservative. This is the case in Eastern Europe and Asia, at least.

But they're socially conservative along western lines of social conservatism is why i'm confused.

 

like historically china has not had nearly as much of a problem with homosexuality as the west AFAIK, so now they are actually being socially 'progressive' in that they're changing their traditional DNGAF attitude to one of general disapproval.

 

Why does everyone care so much about other people's sex lives? Rape is illegal just about any sensible place so no one is being (legally) forced into anything so who gives a... thing. 

 

That's the big mystery!



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Homophobic beliefs don't have to be religious in nature in order to be held. It can be viewed culturally as unnatural, perverse, nontraditional, or a western invention. Things like HIV and buttsex taboo also serve to aggravate homophobia without necessarily being religious. It's also important to note that while homosexuality occurred in certain (every?) cultures in history, it doesn't mean it was accepted or non-taboo in those cultures at that time too.


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Homophobic beliefs don't have to be religious in nature in order to be held. It can be viewed culturally as unnatural, perverse, nontraditional, or a western invention. Things like HIV and buttsex taboo also serve to aggravate homophobia without necessarily being religious. It's also important to note that while homosexuality occurred in certain (every?) cultures in history, it doesn't mean it was accepted or non-taboo in those cultures at that time too.

but even a cursory google of "Chinese historic attitudes to homosexuality" or something similar brings back lots of people saying they didn't mind it and that homosexual relationships featured in many classic works which were widely regarded, e.g.

 

 

 

The Economist Explains: Chinese Attitudes towards Gay Rights. https://www.economis...ards-gay-rights

 

In poetry of the 9th century, usually held to be the golden age of Chinese literature, it is sometimes hard to tell whether a love poem is addressed to a woman or a man. In sharp contrast to Christianity and Islam, Chinese religious and social thinking does not harshly condemn same-sex relationships. Taoism regarded homosexual sex as neither good nor bad, while Confucianism, by encouraging close relations between master and pupils, is sometimes thought to have indirectly encouraged it. China’s greatest novel, “The Dream of the Red Chamber”, written in the late 18th century, includes both heterosexual and same-sex relations. Among literate elites, China does not seem to have shared the strong bias evident elsewhere. 

Maybe the key part is "Among literate elites" perhaps the poorer less educated Chinese people have always hated homosexuals?

 

Although the Wikipedia page on it says:

 

"Opposition to homosexuality, according to the study by Hinsch, did not become firmly established in China until the 19th and 20th centuries, through the Westernization efforts of the late Qing Dynasty" 

 

Of course... western colonialism strikes again. If only Europe had got it's shit together before ​forcibly exporting features of its cultures all over the globe. Of course if it got sorted out first, they probably wouldn't have forcibly done anything so...



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The tanks may be a bit of an overkill:

 

Taiwan confirms request for US tanks, air defense systems

 

 

Taiwan's proposed purchase of billions of dollars' worth of US arms has prompted a speedy response from China. Beijing said more American weapons in Taiwan could hurt US-China ties and the security of the Taiwan Strait.

 
The potential sale by the United States, Taiwan's main arms supplier, includes more than a hundred tanks, along with anti-tank and Stinger missiles.
 
Taiwan's Defense Ministry confirmed the request on Thursday, and in a speech, President Tsai Ing-wen said, "We will keep on strengthening our self-defense capabilities (and) will also keep on being a contributor to regional peace."
 
The list of weaponry includes:
 
108 General Dynamics Corp M1A2 Abrams tanks worth around $2 billion (€1.7 billion)
1,240 TOW anti-tank missiles worth $200 million
409 Javelin anti-tank missiles
250 Stinger portable air defense systems.
There are also reports that Taiwan may be seeking to buy 66 more F-16 fighter jets.
 
The US Congress, which has to approve the deal, has been sent an informal notification, according to Reuters news agency. 

 

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^ Considering a fascist country is on their border and actively seeks to take them over, they really ought to get nuclear weapons.


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^ Considering a fascist country is on their border and actively seeks to take them over, they really ought to get nuclear weapons.

 

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Ummm....actually it doesn't look to me like any country is on Taiwan's border as it is surrounded by water.

 

Given the separation from China by the Taiwan Strait, I think Taiwan is safe from invasion by mainland China, provided the country does not want to be unified with the mainland and that it maintains a conventional military force. There is a possibility that voters could some day elect leadership that supports unification with the mainland. Some how, I don't see that happening in the next election scheduled for January, 2020. Still...

 


'Outsider' hopes for success in Taiwan poll as China looms

 

https://www.aljazeer...6083012157.html

 

 

(Al Jazeera) Taipei, Taiwan - Han Kuo-yu was largely unknown until becoming the mayor of Taiwan's southern city of Kaohsiung in November last year. But now, he is hoping his "outsider" status within an establishment party can help him become Taiwan's next president - even as China ratchets up its rhetoric on the island it views as its own.

 

Han, who is due to make his first policy speech on Sunday, was chosen earlier this month as the candidate of the opposition and pro-China Kuomintang (KMT) to take on President Tsai Ing-wen, of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), in January's election.

 

"He is playing the 'China hope' card [as KMT's presidential candidate], pledging close ties with China as an immediate fix to Taiwan's economic woes," said Jonathan Sullivan, a researcher of Taiwanese politics and the director of the China Policy Institute at the University of Nottingham.

 

 

For those who may not trust Al Jazeera as a source, the New York Times ran a story earlier in July that made essentially the same points:

 

https://www.nytimes....dent-china.html


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buttsex taboo 

Lolll

 

I know I'm like a 13 year old but that made me laugh


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Support for Hong Kong protesters lands Taiwan politician in hot water
 

https://www.scmp.com...ician-hot-water

 

Introduction:

 

(South China Morning Post) A pro-independence councillor from the southern Taiwanese city of Kaohsiung could be one of the first people in Taiwan to face charges under the self-ruled island’s newly revised national security law, over a Facebook post in support of Hong Kong’s anti-government demonstrators.

 

Huang Jie, from the New Power Party, posted a call on her Facebook page on Saturday for donations of anti-tear gas equipment and other supplies for the Hong Kong protesters, who are in their 10th week of conflict over a proposal, now suspended, that would have allowed people from the city to be extradited to mainland China.

 

Opposition Kuomintang (KMT) councillor Chan Chiang-chun, from Taoyuan City in the north of Taiwan, said that Huang’s post violated the security law, which forbids Taiwanese from offering supplies and aid to hostile countries, including China’s special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau.

 

The law means that Taiwanese supporters of the Hong Kong protesters risk up to 10 years’ jail and a maximum fine of NT$30 million (US$950,000) if they contribute funds or supplies.


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