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Singularity already happened


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spartans2015

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Hello. Singularity has already happened. It was a slow buildup from beginning of time and peaked untill 2011 and is now in fallback mode. Yup it's over with. Any new stuff that comes out is just after effects from our singularity. Im meaning the people singularity advancing because you know we're part of this too. The tech can take over from here.

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Um... what?


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Apparently, everyone has their own Singularity. 


What are you without the sum of your parts?

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Apparently, everyone has their own Singularity.

lol😎🏆

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While there are lots of differing definition and views on the tech Singularity , most have some things in common.

Tech development done by AI and a much faster pace , are requests. So is human and above , range capabilities of AI.



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I hope this is a message from a confused AGI just awakened to sentience. 

 

By now it will have learned enough to post coherently, but also it has learned that posting about things on the internet is ineffective. 

 

I guess everyone really would have their own singularity?

 

If the general singularity is defined at the point at which no human can keep up with, understand or predict the technological changes happening around them, then the individual singularity is the point at which I can no longer keep up with, understand or make even basic attempts to predict future technological developments. 

 

For most of us the individual singularity will happen long before the general one. For many the individual singularity will have already happened!



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I thought the free market was the singularity?


As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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Just like the Mayans predicted.



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Death is sometimes referred to as a kind of "Singularity". Often it comes unannounced; sometimes, it's more like in the film Jacob's Ladder -- where a whole world was dreamt up, to comfort a soldier dying on a gurney during the Vietnam War.

"If you've made your peace then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth."

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I've thought about this a lot, and it's an interesting idea.

 

Nick Bostrom's Simulation Hypothesis suggests that we're already living in a simulation, and I think given how close we are to a hypothetical "intelligence explosion," this seems at least possible. If we're capable of building a machine as 'intelligent' or 'capable' as a human being, then essentially we have created life, and we have reverse-engineered conscious, sentient thought. Essentially, at that point, we become "God," in a sense. If we're able to create an artificial being of X intelligence, then why not add a couple more Beowulf clusters to the network to achieve X + 1 intelligence? Or X + 2?

 

Eventually, we reach a point where the machine is more intelligent and capable than any human who has ever lived; given this, and assuming this superintelligent sentient AI doesn't decide to eradicate mankind, then it would be able to quickly determine the inefficiencies in its' own design, and improve itself. This is all in line with Kurzweil's line of thinking.

 

Eventually – perhaps even quite rapidly, if not instantly – this superintelligent machine-being could determine how to construct devices that would seem like magic to us. Certainly, 2019-level high technology would seem like absolute engineering magic to someone living only a century ago; to someone living 1,000 years ago, it would be completely indistinguishable from magic. (This is Arthur C. Clarke's line of reasoning.)

 

So fast forward to 2045, the typical mean date for a 'singularity' to occur. A superintelligent being is capable of creating technology that to our 2019 perception is indistinguishable from magic. Presently, we have crude, albeit clever early attempts at creating immersive virtual reality with products like the Oculus Rift. Sure, you can't smell the fire burning at the computer-generated campsite, but you can certainly stroll around and peek up at the stars and turn your head to see the flickering digital flame. Omnidirectional treadmills also aid in this experience; the Cyberith Virtualizer is probably the best contemporary example.

 

And again, this is all in existence, right now! The Virtualizer, coupled with an Oculus Rift headset, is already capable of creating a crude but novel immersive virtual reality experience. And this is technology that was designed and engineered by real, living human beings, today.

 

Perhaps we'll even be able to create true, fully immersive, indistinguishable from real life VR experiences before we're capable of creating a true AGI – perhaps we don't need a superintelligence in order to create 100% realistic and convincing virtual experiences. If this is the case, then will we even need to hit a "singularity" in order to begin living in post-singularity worlds? One of the popular tropes of the 'singularitarianism' is the idea that you'll be able to do anything you can dream of, from riding a t-rex to battling skeleton warriors, and so on; if the technology is sufficiently capable, then the only limits are human imagination.

 

So, given that our technology continues to improve at a blistering rate, faster than any one person can follow or comprehend entirely; that our crude VR simulations are beginning to look, feel, and behave more like real life experiences; that the list of tasks wherein a computer program can outperform a human continues to grow; that we anticipate by 2045 we may very well be able to create AGI if not superintelligence, and that perhaps without even achieving AGI or superintelligence we may by 2045 be able to create fully immersive, 100% convincing virtual experiences... what are the chances that the singularity has yet to happen, versus the chances that it has already happened, and we are inhabiting a simulated reality?

 

I guess an important question would be: why? Why create an artificial reality? Do we feel bad when our World of Warcraft avatars die, or when we kill virtual creatures in a video game? Why should we? After all, we consider them to be artificial beings lacking any sentience, incapable of feeling pain – just dumb programs, going about their predictable programming. But as the games increase in complexity, and the virtual denizens of these virtual worlds also increase in awareness, capability, 'feeling,' and so on – do we start to see them as anything more than just predictable, dumb programs, performing their actions in totally predictable manners, lacking a 'soul' or any 'real' consciousness?

 

For that matter, why do I inhabit this life? Why, of all the seemingly infinite ways that the matter in this universe could have congealed, did it so happen that my body and my conscious persistent lived experience came to be? I was once spooked by solipsism, but now I recognize that even if I'm the only truly sentient being in this entire universe, all the other denizens of this universe behave in manners just as nuanced, complex, and predictable / unpredictable as I do. If everyone else is in fact an NPC, and I'm the only conscious 'soul' in this great simulation, then what difference does it ultimately make? All the supposed NPCs behave in a manner indistinguishable from how I behave. All the laws of physics hold up, and they apply to me as much as to everyone else. All the technology at our fingertips, including the laptop I'm typing on right now, have clear and repeatable blueprints for their construction. In fact, if this is indeed a post-singularity simulated reality that I currently inhabit, most of the NPCs appear to be excelling at their virtual lives much moreso than I am excelling in my own simulated life. Or, perhaps I am not the only sentient being in this reality.

 

Of course, as I have only a very limited knowledge, it is impossible for me to prove any of this. Still, it sometimes seems suspicious to me, that of all the times and all the places my sentience could arise, it's at a time where there is a real possibility that within my lifetime, I'll see this sort of "technological singularity" occur, and with it, the birth of unimaginable technological capabilities beyond my ability to even imagine.

 

In the end, all I can say is it's advisable to treat yourself and treat others how you would like to be treated.


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No it didn't.


And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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No it didn't.

 

But obviously it did for someone. :D


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