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What could win a Nobel prize in an advanced society that’s had FTL for a thousand years?


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I’m trying to write a story about a scientist in a highly advanced, super society. They have Faster than light propulsion and have colonized several galaxies. For his work, he wins the Far Future equivalent of the Nobel Prize in Physics (but in the story it could be something in the fields of physics, chemistry or biology). What could he have done to win this prize? Science heavy ideas obviously encouraged. The year is 2400 A.D.
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If we redesign humanity to have this advance society in the future I'd have to say real (real as in not just information but humans and other real life forms)time travel or teleportation of human beings. These two things along with maybe controlling stars would probably be about what you're talking about.

 

Further into the future I could see interdimensional travel if the theory of the multiverse is true.

 

Such would take a species that has an avg iq of at least 115-120 with members of it being well into the 200's. No species that can't even meet the basic standards for training doctors or scientist in its future could do so that is for sure.



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I’m trying to write a story about a scientist in a highly advanced, super society. They have Faster than light propulsion and have colonized several galaxies. For his work, he wins the Far Future equivalent of the Nobel Prize in Physics (but in the story it could be something in the fields of physics, chemistry or biology). What could he have done to win this prize? Science heavy ideas obviously encouraged. The year is 2400 A.D.

Here's a big question that acts as a maypole without which we can't give you a good answer: does your story possess artificial intelligences and/or posthuman intelligences? 

Depending on your answer, our answers change. If not and regular humans manage to do all this, then there are a load of potential developments that would be realistic, but there are some limits I can foresee.

If the answer is yes for either one, it's going to be a lot tougher because, well, we're talking about superhuman intelligences. It would be like Capuchin monkeys trying to imagine if modern humans have better ways of getting food than they do.


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I think an answer that fits both a scenario with superintelligent AI and without superintelligent AI is solving or staving off entropy. Better yet, in 1,000 years with SAI we could very well be designing our own bubble universes and defining our own laws of physics within them. Which would be one of many potential ways to beat entropy. 

 

If we're keeping things more down to Earth maybe a Kugelblitz drive or something of similar caliber? See Isaac Arthur's channel on youtube for a wealth of potential ideas. 

 

https://www.youtube....QM5CKUjx6grh54g



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Time travel



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A winner of a Nobel Prize in a post-FTL civilization will have discovered that the phenomenon of traversing from point A to point B, even it involves faster-than-light propagation, is just a subset of a larger phenomenon yet to be discovered, and the discovery hints at the possibility of doing away FTL travel and simply circumvent the effects of time on space. From that perspective, point A and point B, no matter how far apart they are, are essentially the same.

 

To that civilization, time - once thought to be something that is rigid and absolute - becomes an easily malleable resource, just like how we utilize water for the countless processes we depend it for.  


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Some of the suggestions here are pretty spectacular, one thing to consider is a lot of nobel prizes are given out for much more "minor" breakthroughs than "time travel" or "teleportation".

 

Don't get me wrong, there are some huge discoveries that have resulted in nobel pizes, and if your character is his eras Einstein then maybe teleportation or time travel are exactly what you want.  But its also plausible someone would get one for "an experiment that contributes to confirming a theoretical framework which may allow for time travel given decades of technological development, and much more testing of the theorem"

 

https://en.wikipedia...ates_in_Physics <- see this for examples some stuff like:
 

"for groundbreaking experiments regarding the two-dimensional material graphene")

 

If you have any fun sci-fi materials around someone could simply have figured out a potential new use, or maybe a new phase for it for it? Especially useful if its a totally fictional material you invented to explain FTL or something and it features elsewhere in the story.

 

Or if you don't need to much detail just say something like "for ground-breaking experiments in the stabilisation of Ununoctium plasmas" or something.

 

(Ununoctium is the heaviest element ever created, we've made a couple of atoms of it, and for the very short time they existed before they radioactively decayed, they were in plasma form, obviously this is a long​ time in the future, so maybe they're increasing the stability so it lasts for centuries instead of decades, rather than dealing in fractions of a second)

 

Reading through that list, one thing that will probably be true is, thousands of years from now, no one who is not a scientist in the same or a similar field will understand the nobel prize winning scientific breakthrough.

 

I don't think its possible to write a book* featuring common superintelligence, because no one can really write a POV character orders of magnitude smarter than they are so I've assumed your characters are all people of something resembling human intelligence.

 

*Well, an accurate​/Realistic book, you could still make a really good book!



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A thousands years is a really long time. Considering Moore's Law and the advancement of human society within the last century, it's safe to say that FTL and ASI will already be in use, not mentioning how far we might have come in the field of physics, quantum computing, genetic engineering, and psychotronics at that time. Who's to say we will still be a single species, or another interplanetary war occurred, or we met aliens? Or that it would still be called a Nobel Prize?

 

I'm assuming that in the next thousand years, the Nobel Prize still has the same quality of prestige that it offers to today's people. From that, it's going to be really difficult to judge things, so an AI God should be dedicated to handling the database of patents and discoveries for an intergalactic science community. Moreover, having FTL probably requires an extensive comprehension of a Grand Unified Theory, meaning most of natural physics has already been discovered.

 

It all comes down to the creativity augmentum, the point of history when everything about nature and this primitive universe has already been discovered. Because of such a scarcity of unknowns, it's up to us to resupply them. What better way, than ontotechnology.

 

You want to change the laws of physics? It does that. Treat space and time as building material? It does that, too. Set the speed of light to 60 mph, abolish the weak nuclear force, make gravity attract in proportion to the cube of the distance instead of the square, invent an entire new universal force that affects particles based on their heretofore-unknown qualities of shiny, fluffy, and matte? Sure, no problem. Can do. A fully mature ontotechnology would let you invent your very own personal version of physics that works exactly the way you want it to and impose it on whatever bit of the universe you want to work that way – or, hell, just reach outside, take hold of the brane, and make a new universe that runs according to your principles.

 

Man-made pocket universe is the epitome of game development. Take Elite: Dangerous, Minecraft, Spore, Terraria, Skyrim, and other relatively similarly, seed-generated open-world simulation games. Technically, these are uncharted territories. I think game explorers, long-time players, easter egg hunters, etc., deserve more credit than what is offered nowadays. Factoring the idea that this universe is itself a simulation, we might all just be in some elaborate game and playing god is actually the ultimate expression of human nature as superadvanced NPC's.

 

Now, what about pocket universes? Surely, ontotechnological physicists and easter egg hunters alike discovering wholly new phenomena within customized universes warrant Nobel Prizes.

 

Look at that, such an advanced technology, casually appearing in a setting as informal as a teacher giving out a school project.


As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.





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