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How big will posthumans be?


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funkervogt

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How tall and heavy do you think posthumans will be? Assume that posthumans have no instinctual or emotional attachment to the old human form, don't share our aesthetic sense, and are free to physically re-engineer themselves any way they want. Will most humans want to be 3 meters tall, one meter tall, or 3 cm tall? 

 

Explain the logic behind your answer. 


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Why do you assume they will be bigger?


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Is there mind uploading in this scenario? That changes a lot.

 

 

Also, it would depend on what they want to do. They could change form based on certain tasks, I'd guess. 


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Probably fairly large to include sufficient computing material and any required support structures.


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I'd be super down to strengthen and hollow out my bones grow some wings and fly away if that's any metric. I want to be big enough to truly soar with great agility and maneuverability but small enough to not lumber. Being around human sized would allow me to do that, although if I could be bigger I would. It's a trade off because at some point any flying animal would become as sluggish as quetzalcoatlus. 


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I'd be super down to strengthen and hollow out my bones grow some wings and fly away if that's any metric. I want to be big enough to truly soar with great agility and maneuverability but small enough to not lumber. Being around human sized would allow me to do that, although if I could be bigger I would. It's a trade off because at some point any flying animal would become as sluggish as quetzalcoatlus. 

You're probably right. 

 

 

'Habib says even if a dragon followed all of his specifications, it could only grow up to about 1000 pounds without grounding itself—not several tons, like Daenerys’s children.

 
“They’re probably beyond the flight limit for any anatomy,” Habib concedes, “unless they’re secretly made out of carbon fiber and titanium.”'

http://mentalfloss.c...ed-some-experts


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Is there mind uploading in this scenario? That changes a lot.

 

 

Also, it would depend on what they want to do. They could change form based on certain tasks, I'd guess. 

How do we know that some of the common animals we see around us aren't actually machines with alien mind uploads for their brains? 



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^ It's always possible, but also unfalsifiable. Sort of like "we live in a simulation". There's no way to prove that without proving it (if that makes any sense).

 

 

Also:

From DeimosSaturn:

Our Ultimate Corporeal Form, a posthuman starfish

QygImuw.jpg

 

 

And another thing: humans are tiny. We are much smaller than we think we are. Just look upon the majesty of cumulonimbus clouds shining in the evening sunlight— and know that they are often literally taller than mountains by several times over. 

 

If all space & biomass were perfectly utilized, then every human alive could fit in this cube: 

http://i.imgur.com/VmpjUPc.gifv

 

In our current forms, we wouldn't survive being reduced to 100% perfect use of biomass— we'd be about a third of a cubic meter in size and every internal aspect of our bodies would have no space between them— but it does go to show how small you can realistically compress humans.

 

The average cumulonimbus cloud is much larger than that. Imagine a mountain of water hovering above you, but that mountain is twice the size of Mount Everest.  

 

Every human alive could probably fit into a single storm cloud, even without being compressed. 

 

Now consider the possibility of posthuman-tier technology allowing us to escape the confines of a primate form. Theoretically, a posthuman could become much larger than any storm cloud. Perhaps even the size of a planet. The computing resources alone would be fairly extreme, but managing such a large size would certainly require a greater intelligence & capacity for homeostasis than we humans currently have. It might be better to imagine it as a quasi-ethereal borg of posthumans.


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Eventually the majority of transhumans will be brain in Jar size, or smaller.

 

A brain on life support while connected to FIVR is the cheapest way (resource wise) to provide a human with an effectively infinite standard of living. So I would expect the majority of transhumans to accept this form.

 

It would be cool to reside in a 100ft tall robot, but probably not practical.



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Reminds me of the ending of the novel Time Machine.






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