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Not wjfox, but am from the UK. The US Republicans are worse by a country mile and I strongly dislike the UK Conservatives. Sometimes they seem positively progressive in comparison. 

 

Yep.

 

Both evil. But if the Tories are dark elves, then the GOP are Greater Daemons of Khorne.

 

 

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Newsmax  Could End Up Being the Fox News of the Post-Trump era

 

https://www.msn.com/...era/ar-BB1aSnvI

 

Introduction:

(MSN) On Saturday, when major decision desks were calling the 2020 election for Joe Biden, Fox News joined them. For much of the day, the conservative news outlet was splashed with chyrons about Biden’s victory as its correspondents covered the historic moment in earnest. Over at Newsmax, meanwhile, readers could find stories about how the “mainstream media” called it for Biden, but Newsmax itself had not.

 

Lines were drawn in the sand, and for Newsmax Media, those lines seem to be paying off. The conservative outlet’s mobile app is definitely enjoying a moment since the election. According to data tracking firm Sensor Tower, Newsmax’s rank among free apps in Apple’s App Store climbed from No. 1,061 on Election Day to No. 8 on November 8, the day after the election was called for Biden. As of yesterday, it hit its highest rank ever, Sensor Tower says. The app is seeing a similar bump on Google Play.

 

Fox News, one of the most-watched networks on cable TV, has managed to stay consistently popular with its audience throughout multiple presidential administrations. After Donald Trump’s surprise election victory in 2016, many wondered how the network would pivot from the anti-Obama sentiment it had cultivated over the eight years prior. And yet, it’s had some of the best ratings in its history during the Trump administration. If history is any guide, Fox will probably figure out how to keep that momentum going in the post-Trump era, too, even as the world turns its attention to President-elect Biden. Given its track record, it would be naive to count Fox out.

 

But with the rise of streaming-friendly outlets like Newsmax, it’s also clear that more viewers are seeking alternative information sources as they become increasingly aggrieved by the perceived slights of what they consider “mainstream media”—and it doesn’t get more mainstream than Fox News.

 

A similar splintering of audiences is taking place on social media networks as conservative users—angry about what they see as anti-conservative bias from Big Tech companies like Facebook and Twitter—flock to alternative platforms like Parler, which similarly shot to the top of app store charts in the days following Biden’s victory.

 

You know this country is in trouble when Fox news is considered "mainstream".


The principles of justice define an appropriate path between dogmatism and intolerance on the one side, and a reductionism which regards religion and morality as mere preferences on the other.   - John Rawls


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Newsmax  Could End Up Being the Fox News of the Post-Trump era

 

https://www.msn.com/...era/ar-BB1aSnvI

 

Introduction:

(MSN) On Saturday, when major decision desks were calling the 2020 election for Joe Biden, Fox News joined them. For much of the day, the conservative news outlet was splashed with chyrons about Biden’s victory as its correspondents covered the historic moment in earnest. Over at Newsmax, meanwhile, readers could find stories about how the “mainstream media” called it for Biden, but Newsmax itself had not.

 

Lines were drawn in the sand, and for Newsmax Media, those lines seem to be paying off. The conservative outlet’s mobile app is definitely enjoying a moment since the election. According to data tracking firm Sensor Tower, Newsmax’s rank among free apps in Apple’s App Store climbed from No. 1,061 on Election Day to No. 8 on November 8, the day after the election was called for Biden. As of yesterday, it hit its highest rank ever, Sensor Tower says. The app is seeing a similar bump on Google Play.

 

Fox News, one of the most-watched networks on cable TV, has managed to stay consistently popular with its audience throughout multiple presidential administrations. After Donald Trump’s surprise election victory in 2016, many wondered how the network would pivot from the anti-Obama sentiment it had cultivated over the eight years prior. And yet, it’s had some of the best ratings in its history during the Trump administration. If history is any guide, Fox will probably figure out how to keep that momentum going in the post-Trump era, too, even as the world turns its attention to President-elect Biden. Given its track record, it would be naive to count Fox out.

 

But with the rise of streaming-friendly outlets like Newsmax, it’s also clear that more viewers are seeking alternative information sources as they become increasingly aggrieved by the perceived slights of what they consider “mainstream media”—and it doesn’t get more mainstream than Fox News.

 

A similar splintering of audiences is taking place on social media networks as conservative users—angry about what they see as anti-conservative bias from Big Tech companies like Facebook and Twitter—flock to alternative platforms like Parler, which similarly shot to the top of app store charts in the days following Biden’s victory.

 

You know this country is in trouble when Fox news is considered "mainstream".

Yep. :(



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https://www.wsj.com/...ter-11605382430

Parler, Backed by Mercer Family, Makes Play for Conservatives Mad at Facebook, Twitter

The libertarian-minded platform aims to challenge tech giants through a focus on free speech; surge in users since the election


Qanon, Alex Jones, Accelerationists / Reactionaries / Dark Enlightenment, Gamergate, White Nationalists, Proud Boys, and others...

This will probably backfire. The Mercers and other backers will get pulled into this, possibly criminal investigations, and they will lose control of it. I could also see people on the far-Left joining and hoping to reach out to "the people", like how many same people go on Tucker Carlson's show.

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Looks like Parler is having trouble already:

https://tech.slashdo...-hates-trolling

First — sorry, folks — Parler does censor. It removes users, regularly. It does not actually seem to tolerate hate speech, and because it's a much smaller platform, it might even be more efficient in finding and exorcising it than the social giants. Oh, and the founders really, really don't like trolling. This includes the sort of trolling that feeds the outrage cycles on Twitter, the trolling that includes scatology and expletives and "unrelated comments." [Parler also says they'll enforce their rules against obscene user names, any kind of pornography, and even the spamming of "people trying to speak" with "unrelated comments"] Also, dog poop. Parler doesn't like dog poop...

On Wednesday, [Parler CEO Dan Bongino], of all people, had to knock down what might have been Parler's first piece of conservative-on-conservative viral misinformation: a screenshot of a Fox News chyron alleging that George Soros was actually the owner of Parler. "Friends," Bongino wrote on Twitter (!), "This is a photoshopped image. THIS IS NOT REAL. There are people who are desperate to take down Parler who are spreading BS hoping you'll buy it. I OWN PARLER. This is the 4th or 5th time I've had to fight back against this stuff."

Sorry, Dan. It won't be the last.


Could he have been naive enough to think this kind of stuff isn't common on conservative media?

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https://www.wsj.com/...ter-11605382430
 

Parler, Backed by Mercer Family, Makes Play for Conservatives Mad at Facebook, Twitter

The libertarian-minded platform aims to challenge tech giants through a focus on free speech; surge in users since the election


Qanon, Alex Jones, Accelerationists / Reactionaries / Dark Enlightenment, Gamergate, White Nationalists, Proud Boys, and others...

This will probably backfire. The Mercers and other backers will get pulled into this, possibly criminal investigations, and they will lose control of it. I could also see people on the far-Left joining and hoping to reach out to "the people", like how many same people go on Tucker Carlson's show.

Criminal investigations for what, exactly?



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Not wjfox, but am from the UK. The US Republicans are worse by a country mile and I strongly dislike the UK Conservatives. Sometimes they seem positively progressive in comparison. 

 

Yep.

 

Both evil. But if the Tories are dark elves, then the GOP are Greater Daemons of Khorne.

 

 

Tory –

 

DYWjTqJ.jpg

 

 

 

GOP –

 

yIcFGQk.jpg

The GOP looks like Satan's spawn here! :(



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Fox News Reaches Settlement With Parents of Slain DNC Staffer Seth Rich

 

https://www.washingt...ich-settlement/

 

Introduction:

(Washington Post) Fox News has reached a settlement with Joel and Mary Rich, the couple who sued the network for emotional distress over a false story that Fox promoted on the air for almost a week about the 2016 death of their son, Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich.

 

Rich, 27, was fatally shot in Washington, D.C., in what local police described as a botched robbery, but his death spawned a web of conspiracy theories. The Riches claimed the network “intentionally exploited” their son’s killing for political purposes, and sued in 2018 claiming emotional distress.

 

The story, published on foxnews.com, set off a frenzy among conservative news outlets with its inaccurate claim that investigators found evidence that Rich had leaked embarrassing emails from the DNC to Wikileaks, which published them. In fact, there was no evidence that Rich had anything to do with the leak. Fox retracted the story six days later for not meeting “editorial standards”.

 

Still, it was celebrated among some conservatives, who suggested it showed that the leak was an inside job, not a result of a computer hack by Russian agents who were trying to boost Donald Trump’s campaign, as special counsel Robert Mueller later concluded following a lengthy investigation.

 

And Fox News heavily promoted the story, with its claims repeated on “Fox and Friends” and programs hosted by Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity, despite pleas from Rich’s family.


The principles of justice define an appropriate path between dogmatism and intolerance on the one side, and a reductionism which regards religion and morality as mere preferences on the other.   - John Rawls


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Parler, the “Free Speech” Twitter Wannabe, Explained

 

https://www.vox.com/...ip-donald-trump

 

Introduction:

(Vox) In recent weeks, you may have been hearing more about a site called Parler, which conservatives are touting as an alternative to Twitter and Facebook. From Ivanka Trump to the governor of Nebraska, right-wing influencers are asking those frustrated with alleged Big Tech censorship to join them on Parler, a two-year-old app and website that promises free speech online. It’s social media — minus the curation algorithms and content moderation.

 

Parler, which has been around since 2018, looks at first glance a lot like Twitter and Facebook. Open the app, there are profiles pushing doubt about the 2020 election’s results and declarations that the mainstream tech platforms are targeting free speech. With just a few clicks, it’s easy to find even more extreme right-wing voices and hate speech. Overall, the site appears like an amalgamation of some of the most odious factions of social media, centralized on one platform that’s attracted millions of users.

 

In the final days of the 2020 election, Parler’s popularity exploded. Searches for “Parler” have surged since late October, and the app saw a spike in downloads after Joe Biden won the White House. Currently, Parler is No. 4 in the news category on the Apple App Store. (At one point in November, the app actually reached the top slot in the App Store, though it’s since fallen significantly in the rankings.) The Washington Post reports that the site now has more than 10 million users, and the company’s COO has said that the user base is continuing to grow by the millions.

 

I can see several different possible outcomes of this sort of thing. 

  1. A severe splintering on the right wherein moderates like Joe Bidden benefit greatly by the weakness of the right.
  2. The growth of a truly fascist movement, or at least extreme right wing populist movement, that becomes a great danger to this country.
  3. Some kind of combination of the both.

This is something that truly needs to be kept an eye on.


The principles of justice define an appropriate path between dogmatism and intolerance on the one side, and a reductionism which regards religion and morality as mere preferences on the other.   - John Rawls


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Does Fox Need to Fear Trump’s Wrath?

 

https://www.politico...ps-wrath-440446

 

Introduction:

(Politico) It was a media story that sustained a thousand pundits, politicians, media critics and reporters for a generation, and it went like this: Fox News Channel, the devilish invention of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, rules the commanding heights of conservative broadcast news! It cannot be displaced! It is the tail that wags the dog of the Republican Party! The network that bolsters the Trump presidency and the essential source of news that issues hourly—and often untruthful—marching instructions for America’s populist-right millions!

 

But then came Election Night 2020. Fox’s coverage earned it Judas status among Trump’s most ardent supporters. The network's crimes of betrayal and heresy? It was first to call Arizona for Joe Biden. In the following days, Fox joined the consensus projection that Biden was the winner of the election and show-host Laura Ingraham and co-host Brian Kilmeade drew criticism from the right for meekly allowing that a Biden presidency might be in the offing. Tucker Carlson, as Trumpie as a Trumpie can get without being a member of the family, earned damnation for doubting the berserk election-fraud theories of then-Trump attorney Sidney Powell.

 

Fox also slow-walked the voting-fraud allegations, and these combined tilts from the usual hard-Trump line fueled a new storyline: Fox was losing its mojo among conservative viewers and bleeding audience and influence to upstart, hard-to-find-on-your-dial channels like Newsmax and One America News Network (OANN). These two channels, unlike Fox, had lent high credence to the election-fraud stories and remained loyal to Trump. The president encouraged the Fox hatred, disparaging the network in a Nov. 15 tweet that ended, “Many great alternatives are forming & exist. Try @OANN & @newsmax, among others!”

 

Conclusion:

Newsmax and OANN do have one thing going for them. Misinformation masquerading as news clots the Internet and the cable dial not so much because producers create it but because consumers demand it: It’s a demand-side problem, not a supply-side one. As long as viewers seek confirmation of every utterance by a prolific liar like Donald Trump, there will be a guaranteed place for outfits like Newsmax and OANN. But just as surely, if Fox doesn’t turn its back completely on that game, it will bestride the right-wing mediaverse for years to come.


The principles of justice define an appropriate path between dogmatism and intolerance on the one side, and a reductionism which regards religion and morality as mere preferences on the other.   - John Rawls






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