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The Emancipation of Men


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NOTE: I'm writing this because i'm tired of doing my homework

 

Men are fundamentally disadvantaged when it comes to sexual interactions. I say men but I should say that in almost all species the females dedicate more resources to their young so they must be discerning when it comes to choosing a mate. However, as a species that transcends the limitations of our biology we should not be constrained by this inequality. Why is rape such a commonplace occurrence if sexual urges are simply something that we can disregard as being a passing desire? Is there not something more fundamental driving our desires to mate? Is it not evolutionary programming that impels us to attain sexual success at nearly any cost? The union of two people is after all simply a derivation from our universal desire to mate. 

 

Now the difference between men and women is stark. While most women can easily find a partner with which to release any pent up desire it is much more difficult for men to do so without resorting to prostitution or rape. The problem of course being that both of these recourse impinge upon the rights and sovereignty of women. Now my postulation of the inaccessibility of sex for men will be laughed off as a non-issue, but I would argue that given the prevalence of rape and prostitution our innate desire to satisfy our sexual urges is a problem that must be dealt with. Some other critics might point to the over 90% success rate for finding a mate in the human species but 10% of 8 billion is plenty of suffering. Again my usage of words like suffering may be scoffed at but simply because uncontrolled sexual desire is often viewed as an issue of immaturity it does not make it any less visceral.  

 

Now in order to solve this conundrum of quotidian sexual frustration, men think about sex multiple times a day, we either need to remove the problem of the personhood of women (controversial wording to be sure), or we need to remove sexual desire as an evolutionary instinct. Now I would not recommend either treating women as second class citizens, as they sometimes still are, nor the universal castration of men so I would recommend a technological reprieve. Firstly the simplest and perhaps best solution would be to remedy our innate, insatiable drive for sexual release via somatic genetic modification. The second would be high level narrow AI in a physical embodiment that could adequately recreate some of the female characteristics that would satisfy a majority of men. In other words a highly upgraded sex doll. Even today we are already creating replacements for women as subjects of our sexual ambitions, and I would argue that this is eminently a good thing. Not only because it would help to prevent crimes against women, but because it would emancipate men from the foibles of women. How many resources and how much time is wasted on this useless pursuit we call romance which in reality is just an offshoot of our sexual desire? The day when we are rid of our urge to woo women will be the day that we can truly be free. 

 

Of course there is also the issue that our children incubate in women thereby giving women a distinct advantage in their say so over what happens to said children but this is a topic for another day. So what is your opinion? Do women have an inordinate amount of power due to their biological inheritance? 


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Man, I'd just not think about it. It's socially safer that way.

But I'm happy to see you write more clearly TG.
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Man, I'd just not think about it. It's socially safer that way.

But I'm happy to see you write more clearly TG.


LOL my writing is still atrocious and nah man we gotta think about these things even if we're #forevervirgins


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There is a simple explanation of why men are more "sexually obsessed" than women:

 

The evolutionary goal of each living organism is to spread its DNA as wide as possible. For men, this mean f*ck and impregnate as much women as possible. Quality of sexual partners is not as relevant as quantity, just the more the better, someone of offsprings will definitely survive.

 

For women, for obvious reason, the strategy is opposite: quality >>> quantity. They should carefully evaluate the real and possible sexual partners. And that's exactly what they're doing, everywhere and everytime, in non-stop mode... you only asked the road to the bus stop, and her brain already makes a complex calculations: will he be a good father?



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A few opening comments before getting to where I agree with you TG. Good post btw. 

 

I think men who can't control themselves and resort to rape are insecure and weak. There are a million and more things to release sexual energy that aren't rape. Play a bass guitar, go to the gym, straight up smash shit in the woods. If an urge is that bad there are ways to move past it and even harness it. Adding purpose to life is a really good way to deal with sexual urges imo whatever that purpose may be for a given individual. 

 

Romance and more importantly healthy relationships are not at all just offshoots of sexual desire. I'm sexually attracted to most women my age that I meet and some men. I wouldn't desire any relationship beyond casual sex with 99% of them though. As someone who's been in a good relationship for almost a year now we get way more mutual benefit from one another beyond sex. And she's trans, so reproduction doesn't enter the equation at all. I'm not sure I'm in love yet (maybe, it's good to take things slow) but whatever our relationship is it comes from a higher spiritual, emotional and philosophical place than base lust. And I fully expect my relationship to gain more substance as it ages assuming we stay together. I encourage you to read about relationships from people who keep them alive for decades, there's way more to them than base animalistic biological function. 

 

I don't think women have excessive power due to their biology. Power is more than sexual desire and there are plenty of other ways that women are disadvantaged in society. Classical patriarchy in some countries is an example of that. Sexism in neoliberal democracies is another (it hurts men too.) I don't use the word patriarchy for neoliberal democracies because I don't think it applies. The men at the bottom are at the very least just as socially and economically disadvantaged as women even when that disadvantage takes different forms. And if society were truly patriarchal men at the bottom would have significant advantage over women which I'd argue they generally don't. Being brief because I don't feel like going into a diatribe about how sexism is bad for all genders and that rich people regardless of identity are so immensely advantaged that whatever sexism/racism they experience isn't even worth discussing because their economic advantage completely overpowers it. 

 

With those things said I agree with you. Women generally have an easier time finding casual sex. This does indeed suck the big one and is a source of emotional distress for many men who haven't been given the skills by their socialization to deal with it. In part due to both the toxic masculinity of their mothers and fathers as well as their societies as a whole. And due to the toxic masculinity of women as well. That might sound like an oxymoron, but toxic masculinity isn't exclusive to men and anyone who says otherwise doesn't really understand what toxic masculinity is. They might argue that what I'm describing is toxic femininity, and while that surely exists too and can even apply to men, it's not what I mean. An example of a mother being toxicly masculine would be if she brushes off her son's emotions and encourages him to bottle them up. Often mothers who do this are also toxicly feminine and over socialize their daughters to lean into their emotions too much. Toxic men aren't naturally toxic, the toxicity is a learned trait from the people around them who encourage and teach it, making those people just as toxic. There are both toxic women and men, and while things are very dynamic some people really aren't all that toxic. 

 

So where am I going with all this? Sex dolls are great for fun, but do we really want to be replacing substantive relationships with them? No. That's a really bad idea. Most humans do better when they have a partner(s) to go through life with. Partners mutually do emotional labour for each other that can't really be filled by platonic relationships. This is really important in general to building whole people who are able to self-determine and prosper. With this said, some people are neurologically diverse and don't need companionship of this type. If that works for an individual then there's no problem. If a given individual only wants to find an outlet for sexual urges I'd encourage that person to find more constructive avenues as an outlet. But ultimately if a sex doll works and leads to a complete person that's fine. I'm not arguing against them wholesale, only in the context that they're a complete solution because they're not. 

 

What I'd suggest for most people, those who do need more than sex even if they don't know it themselves yet, is a relationship. To help men who can't find a good relationship we need much more comprehensive matchmaking programs to align them with compatible people, AI could help a lot here. There are women who have a hard time finding men too and connecting those two groups in a healthy way is a good approach. Another problem is that some men for one reason or another genuinely don't know how to act in order to attract a good girl and maintain a relationship. Those folks need comprehensive sex and relationship therapy. In some cases that might call for a surrogate partner so that inexperienced men can learn how relationships work hands on with real sex and a real relationship.

 

Most of what I'm saying applies to women who have trouble too. Finally some men have shit luck because they are genuinely ugly. This is partly a social problem and partly a material one. A more enlightened culture would put less emphasis on vain surface beauty like the body, and reducing sexism, racism and inequality will help move towards that end. At the same time this culture will not be there for centuries if not millennia imo. So in order to help ugly men technologically enabled bodily autonomy is important. If a man is ugly by his own standards and doesn't like that, we should develop technology that allow him to get a new body or modify his own to a point where he's comfortable. The final issue is an economic one. People who are impoverished in certain communities are considered undesirable by vain morons. Killing capitalism is the solution to that one. 

 

In short, solutions:

 

Lack of social skills = comprehensive therapy 

 

Lack of looks = radical bodily autonomy 

 

Lack of luck = advanced matchmaking programs

 

Lack of economic advantage = kill capitalism 

 

The problem is vast. Incels make some good points, and the people who can't move past their decorum and address their central arguments and concerns are part of the problem. 

 

 

Edit: I'm wordy and I'm not revising this. TG, why can you inspire me to write a short essay length response in one sitting but pursuing my own writing ideas is like climbing a mountain? 


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I agree with most of what Erowind said, but I wanted to stress that the idea that sexual desire is uncontrollable is false*.

 

If rape was a result of an uncontrollable urge, most attempted rapes would happen in random places often surrounded by many people but most rapes happen in places where the rapist won't get caught in the act. This is because the rapist is in control of themselves and doesn't want to go to jail, but does want sex, and doesn't care about the victim's opinion on the subject. 

 

AFAIK The vast majority of rapes involve at least some prior planning, and often are part of a pattern of behaviour by someone who doesn't necessarily have problems finding consensual partners not a sudden surge of hormones overwhelming a virgin man.

 

Lots of people are poor, lots of people want money, comparatively few people will become muggers.

Lots of people get angry, lots of people want certain other people to go away, very few people will commit murder.

 

In societies where men are expected to control themselves most of them will do a pretty good job of it, and in societies where the perception is that men cannot control themselves (places where women are expected to cover up so as not to tempt men, for example) men generally do much much worse, This is not a genetic difference or something this is cultural, these men don't believe they should ​restrain themselves (after all, why control myself, that woman clearly wants sex me or she wouldn't be wearing that outfit! and besides everyone knows men cant help it so no one will condemn me for it anyway) 

 

 

​I think sex robots will help a bit, and may lower the amount of rapes that happen but that's because men who don't care about their partners emotionally are the most likely to be rapists, and also the most likely to be satisfied by sex robots.

 

I think a lot of men who now think that sex robots will solve all their problems, (the kind of people who show up here rarely posting things like "sex robots will make women obsolete") will realise that they really want companionship, love etc. and that sex robots are very elaborate masturbation aids. 

 

EDIT: Also on the subject of power dynamics between men and women, one thing to note is that (assuming no one is deliberately being an asshole) men are much less likely to have poor sexual experiences than women. Worst case for a guy is usually that things are a bit dull as far as sex goes, but for women it can be genuinely unpleasant even if the guy is doing his best. (he'd need to be fairly incompetent, for it to be worse than just v. boring but that's not impossible)

 

TL;DR What Erowind said, also Sex is not a right, or even a need, its a want.

 

 

*(It may be possible that some individuals have vastly higher and less suppressible sexual desires than normal men I guess? But I've not heard of anything like this)






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