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I can't believe nobody even mentioned this. Ecuador is on the verge of people's "anti-globalist" revolution: 

 

Ecuador protests: President moves government out of Quito

 

Ecuador protesters storm parliament as unrest worsens

 

pictures and more pictures

 

Unlike Venezuela, the "world community" remains shocked and clearly don't know how to react. And I can guess why: this is not some "socialist dictatorship" is about to fall, this time the people's revolution erupted against "our sons of the bitches", the humble and obedient neo-liberal government. Something that, according to liberal textbooks, can not happen at all.

 

And not Ecuador only! That's what currently happens in nearby Peru:

 

Peru at boiling point: Army and police side with president in standoff against parliament



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And btw, the people's anger is aimed against pro-globalist regime of Lenin Moreno... Joke of history.



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I can't be the only one that's always thought Ecuador was spelled with a q until now.
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I can't be the only one that's always thought Ecuador was spelled with a q until now.

 

Ecuador - Wikipedia



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Blame my news feeds. None of the places I get my news from let me know this was even happening, figures. I'll probably hear about it on bunkerchan before I see it on reddit or the tv. 



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I can't be the only one that's always thought Ecuador was spelled with a q ==>until now<==.


Ecuador - Wikipedia
All this tells me is that it's spelled Ikwayur
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Blame my news feeds. None of the places I get my news from let me know this was even happening, figures. I'll probably hear about it on bunkerchan before I see it on reddit or the tv. 

 

While PhoenixRu did find the story first (via the BBC), Common Dreams  also had this article that I came across today:

 

Ecuador's President Moves Government From Capital as Protests Over Austerity Measures Continue

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/08/ecuadors-president-moves-government-capital-protests-over-austerity-measures

 

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(Common Dreams) Ecuadorian President Lenín Moreno announced late Monday that he had temporarily moved government operations out of the capital of Quito following days of nationwide protests led by unions and Indigenous groups against austerity measures unveiled last week, including the end of decades-old fuel subsidies.

 

The gas and diesel subsidies, which cost the government close to $1.4 billion per year, were scrapped as part of Moreno's effort to honor a $4.2 billion loan agreement with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) finalized earlier this year. Moreno's moves to slash government spending have caused a spike in fuel prices and provoked six days of protests thus far, with a national strike planned for Wednesday.

 

Jaime Vargas, president of the Confederation of Indigenous Nations in Ecuador (CONAIE), an umbrella organization for local Indigenous groups, said Monday that 20,000 protesters marching toward Quito would be in the capital for the strike.

 

CONAIE has vowed that demonstrations will continue until Moreno withdraws the fuel subsidies cuts, but that doesn't seem to have swayed the president's position.

 

Reuters noted Monday that "Indigenous-led protests brought down three presidents" before Moreno's predecessor and one-time mentor, Rafael Correa, who now lives in self-imposed exile in Belgium. Correa, an outspoken critic of the current president's political shift to the right on economic policy, tweeted Monday night that "Moreno is finished" and called for elections.


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The story has been in multiple news sites; it's just that's being overshadowed by the Trump impeachment inquiry (and related news); the U.S. betrayal of the Kurds and Turkish invasion; Democratic debates; and so on.

Far-Leftist Glenn Greenwald Tweets:

https://mobile.twitt...048064237981696
 

Mass protests against corrupt governments & deprivation are things the US Govt & its media promote only when they're a club against adversary countries (eg Venezuela). That's why these massive protests against Ecuador's neoliberal, pro-US-Govt are ignored:


That's stupid. He's a very smart guy, and surely knows that the news media are not being dictated-to by the U.S. government what stories to run about what countries. What they are about is $$$. Access also matters -- but there is no issue with access here; one just has to open ones eyes to see.

And what news media sources have covered it? A partial list:

Wall Street Journal

The Atlantic

Bloomberg

NPR

Associated Press

BBC

The Guardian

Washington Post

New York Times

Aljazeera

etc.

Oh, and funnily enough, I didn't see it on The Intercept, Greenwald's own news site!!!!

I'm sure it's there, somewhere. I did a Google search, and added "theintercept", but didn't find it. Then, I went to The Intercept main site, and didn't see it. Maybe I'm just overlooking it; or maybe I'm supposed to click on a menu link or something.

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One thing I was wondering about is:  why is the far-Left (and Russia?) so interested in what is going on in Ecuador?  And is it as bad as they say?  (Say, as bad as the situation in Brazil?)
 
I haven't yet collected enough reliable information about question #2, but I certainly don't trust Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, Aaron Mate, Matt Taibbi, or Glenn Greenwald to give an unbiased account.  
 
As to question #1, it's possible that it has to do with Wikileaks and Julian Assange:  prior to Moreno's ascension to power, Correra was a steadfast defender of Julian Assange, despite all the stuff he did while at the embassy (nasty to staff, rarely bathed, mistreated the cat, smeared shit on the walls, laundered Russian state-sponsered hacking, etc.).  Moreno, however, withdrew the hospitality.  And that, perhaps more than anything else, has made the far-Left go batshit crazy mad about Moreno.

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One thing I was wondering about is:  why is the far-Left (and Russia?)


Ha, anything PR brings up is coincidentally a large foreign policy talking point in Russian politics. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I'm waiting to see if Russia's foot is somewhere here as well, but then again, maybe it's just good propaganda.
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First off, PR, my mother is a very reputable woman, and just because she's a working girl doesn't mean you can call her those names. Secondly, that child does deserve a second chance at life and shouldn't be fed to the dogs. How could you even suggest that? And lastly, no. You can't just ask for your donated organs back because you realized you didn't get a "fair deal" when you looked at the black market prices.
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First off, PR, my mother is a very reputable woman, and just because she's a working girl doesn't mean you can call her those names. Secondly, that child does deserve a second chance at life and shouldn't be fed to the dogs. How could you even suggest that? And lastly, no. You can't just ask for your donated organs back because you realized you didn't get a "fair deal" when you looked at the black market prices.

 

You're unique, Outlook, really unique. Seriously, I don’t know even how to react to all this shit... It's like you met someone who seems quite friendly and reasonable and then, suddenly, with no slightest reason, gives you a slap just because he is in a cheerful mood.



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Oh, relax. I made an original post replying to it and then found you edited it out, so I thought I'd have a bit of fun. You don't seriously think people will believe you called my mother names, suggested feeding a child to dogs, and tried to refund donated organs. How can you even be hurt by something as stupid as that.

 

And we're going to have to veer back on-topic to Equador before this thread gets locked.


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In Victory for People's Movement, Ecuador Protests End With Government Capitulation on Fuel Subsidies

 

https://www.commondr...-fuel-subsidies

 

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(Common Dreams) Indigenous groups in Ecuador celebrated Monday after news broke late Sunday that the country's leader, President Lenín Moreno, would make a deal with protestors that shut down the Latin American nation in nearly two weeks of demonstrations and scrap a controversial austerity package.

 

"I’m so happy I don't know what to say," said indigenous protester Rosa Matanago. "I don't have words, I'm so emotional. At least God touched the president's heart."

Moreno signed directive 883, restoring the subsidies, on Sunday evening.

 

The protest movement in Ecuador began on October 2 after a coalition of indigenous groups, the Confederation of Indigenous Nations in Ecuador (CONAIE), launched demonstrations against the Moreno government's proposal to eliminate fuel subsidies in an effort to reduce the country's debt to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Moreno also proposed slashing salaries for public workers as a way to generate funding to pay down the IMF debt.

 

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A surprise breakthough was achieved at a roundtable convened on Sunday where President Moreno (centre) and indigenous leaders were joined by the country's UN representative, church leaders and activists.

[Cristina Vega/AFP]


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Under the "not only" category:

 

Trade Unions Across Chile Call for a General Strike

 

https://www.commondr...support-student

 

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(Common Dreams) As protests against the Chilean government continued Monday, trade unions across the South American country called for a general strike to support demonstrators drawing attention to the nation's high cost of living, inequality, and injustice.

 

"We can't remain indifferent to the social movement out there," Escondida Union No. 1 president Patricio Tapia, whose organization voted to stop work at the Escondida copper mine for 10 hours Monday night or Tuesday morning, told Bloomberg Monday. "Something's not right with this country and 14-year-olds were the first ones to say so—now it's workers' turn to say enough is enough."

 

The movement began with high schoolers protesting subway fare hikes but exploded across the country over the weekend to encompass a wide array of issues after a police crackdown on the teenagers drew widespread anger and outrage.

 

As Common Dreams reported, billionaire right-wing President Sebastián Piñera has declared a state of emergency over the protest movement and, on Saturday, tried to defuse the situation by suspending the fare increase. 

 

A number of unions said Sunday they were calling for a general strike in solidarity with the burgeoning protest movement.


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Bribery Trial Begins Against Ex-Ecuador Leader Rafael Correa

 

https://www.courthou...-rafael-correa/

 

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QUITO, Ecuador (AP) — Former Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and 20 other high-ranking politicians and business leaders went on trial Monday, with prosecutors accusing them of orchestrating a multimillion-dollar bribery operation.

 

Chief Prosecutor Diana Salazar opened the proceeding at the National Court of Justice, describing a scheme in which Correa’s PAIS Alliance political party took cash in exchange for lucrative public works contracts.

 

“A criminal structure comprised of various public officials with strategic roles was created,” she said. “Those roles facilitated accepting money from businessmen or their representatives in exchange for infrastructure works.”

 

The case could have wide implications for Correa, who held the presidency between 2007 to 2017 and won the loyalty of millions of poor Ecuadoreans with generous health and social programs. He is currently in self-imposed exile in Belgium and rejects the charges against him.

 

“This is all a big farce,” he said in a video posted last month on Twitter.


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In fairness to the lefties, i didnt see anything at all on this in the UK media frontpages, wheras the venezula situation was pretty prominent. 

 

I don't watch a lot of TV so its possible the TV news here was all over it but its pretty suspicious that we see so much reporting on situations where america has an agenda, but nothing when the US is disinterested. 

 

So sure, its not strange that ecuador is so ignored by western media but why was Venezuela so heavily reported on when it is similarly irrelevant to the lives of most UK Citizens? 

 

 

One thing I was wondering about is:  why is the far-Left (and Russia?)


Ha, anything PR brings up is coincidentally a large foreign policy talking point in Russian politics. Not that there's anything wrong with it. I'm waiting to see if Russia's foot is somewhere here as well, but then again, maybe it's just good propaganda.

PR lives in Russia, so when something is prominent on the Russian news circuit, and barely mentioned on the US/UK/EU news circuit, he comes to this forum to see if his impression of it being ignored is accurate for those of us living in US/UK/Western Europe. Makes sense to me. 

 

And yes of course Russia has an interest in calling the US out on its rampant hypocrisy. None of that makes the point any less valid.

Just as the fact that lots of people in the USA hate Russia doesn't devalue points made by USicans about Putin being a terrible kleptocrat.

 

Just because someone is biased, doesn't make them wrong.






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