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Can infinite powerful computer allow true immortality in a endless virtual paradise ?


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Do future computer with infinite computing power allow true immortality for human as avatar in a virtual paradise with endless times in just an instant in real world ?
Could true immortality be guaranted if there a non murder no accident,crash and fatalities no diseases in an virtual paradise ?
Also this virtual paradise could have infinite pleasure with delicious foods,entertainment ,places ,object ...;etc.
Could this make humans immortals even if the real universe is going to end and die ?

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Is this the goal of humanity and specifically transhumanism an endless lifespan (immortality) and infinite pleasure and happiness ?

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But infinite anything is impossible. 



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A blackhole computer as example ?

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Or a ontotechnology ( subplanck ) computer as an example

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But infinite anything is impossible.

A blackhole based computer as an example ?

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But infinite anything is impossible.

A blackhole based computer as an example ?

 

 

A black hole is not infinite. It will eventually evaporate via Hawking radiation although it'll take trillions of years.


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But infinite anything is impossible.

A blackhole based computer as an example ?
 
A black hole is not infinite. It will eventually evaporate via Hawking radiation although it'll take trillions of years.

the center of blackhole have infinite gravity that even light are absorbed .the density and compression inside it is infinite



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But infinite anything is impossible.

A blackhole based computer as an example ?
 
A black hole is not infinite. It will eventually evaporate via Hawking radiation although it'll take trillions of years.
the center of blackhole have infinite gravity that even light are absorbed .the density inside it is infinite

 

 

While its density appears to be infinite, its mass is not. It is because there is no volume where the singularity is. So, mass (which is finite) divided by volume (0) = infinite density. 

 

The infinite density is simply a conjecture from several theories trying to understand the singularity in a black hole. We haven't been successful yet.


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It can allow us to live in our paradise for a very long time. Only post singularity will we know if true immortality is possible

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It can allow us to live in our paradise for a very long time. Only post singularity will we know if true immortality is possible

It is true a blackhole have infinite gravity and density that compress matter inside it .

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It take 5 millisec for a neuron to fire , some people reach 110 years , so 6 E11 firing.

Is it enought to understand the univers if infinit computation possible ? Maybe one need 6 E20 firing. Do that first.



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In a science channel interview one scientists made the point that anytime "infinite" shows up in our equations it is a sign that we are getting something wrong.

 

"Infinite" is a theoretical construct. It may very well be that something of "infinite power" exists only in theological constructs, not in science.  Another sign of the deification by some "futurists" of AI?


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caltrek ,

"Infinite" is a theoretical construct. fine. But exists only in theological constructs ? it doesn't have to be , anymore then finit gods means any finit being is a sign of the deification. (moon gods do not mean travel to the moon is religious matter)

 

The scientists was correct aas those eqesions were a tool use for handeling finine matters , any infinity or other math irrelevant to the phenomena , is a sign that we are getting something wrong.



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^^^Nice post. You might consider cleaning up the spelling. Just me picking at nits.


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Finite number divided by zero ( 0 ) equal infinity that science

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Finite number divided by zero ( 0 ) equal infinity that science

 

Finite number divided by zero is a mathematical construction.  Think about it.  How do you "divide" something by zero (0)?  You either make zero divisions in which you might as well be dividing by one, or you divide endlessly with no "real" result, except perhaps infinity....

 

Mathematics and science go hand in hand with each other.  Incidentally, I have heard (or read) that some cosmologists don't believe that the universe started with a singularity. Rather they refer to that beginning as a fuzzy singularity, meaning something greater than zero in space (and/or time).   


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True immortality is impossible because even if time spent in the virtual world is only an instant in reality, events in reality will eventually affect the virtual world, albeit at a much slower rate, such as the end of the universe, so as heath death is the most likely way that the universe will end, there would to no way to power the computer that contains this virtual world. Also, this computer will need infinite power and it would have to be somewhere that it would be protected from everything that could destroy it, so it can't be on Earth, but if it is floating in space, it could be destroyed by a passing star, a asteroid, a black hole, or something else. Although we could simulate true immortality by having the time difference between the virtual world and reality to be insane, like 1 second in reality would be equal to some ultra high number like 100 googolplex years.


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Although we could simulate true immortality by having the time difference between the virtual world and reality to be insane, like 1 second in reality would be equal to some ultra high number like 100 googolplex years.

 

The universe itself is in effect immortal as it will continue to expand forever after all the stars expend their fuel, black holes evaporated, smallest subatomic particles lose their cohesion, and entropy finally reaches equilibrium. But the universe still exists in darkness forever.

 

In either virtual world or reality, if we can't avoid the fate above, we are not immortal even we practically become gods.

 

The only way to immortality I can think of is doing the unthinkably near impossible - either creating a new universe that has its own constants independent of this one, or crossing into a parallel one (the fact we're going to be violating fundamental laws doing that somehow won't stop us).


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True immortality is impossible because even if time spent in the virtual world is only an instant in reality, events in reality will eventually affect the virtual world, albeit at a much slower rate, such as the end of the universe, so as heath death is the most likely way that the universe will end, there would to no way to power the computer that contains this virtual world. Also, this computer will need infinite power and it would have to be somewhere that it would be protected from everything that could destroy it, so it can't be on Earth, but if it is floating in space, it could be destroyed by a passing star, a asteroid, a black hole, or something else. Although we could simulate true immortality by having the time difference between the virtual world and reality to be insane, like 1 second in reality would be equal to some ultra high number like 100 googolplex years.


I say infinite time in virtual reality would exist in a second in real life .do you think this computer cant be protected for 1 second in real life who is a infinite time in a virtual reality ?
And also future posthumans and A.I.s will stop the expension of the universe the heat death therefor the end of universe using technology.




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