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An interactive map of the US's historical racial and ethnic diversity by county for every US census year between 1960 and 2060


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Joe00uk, I think it's so interesting that you seem to know so much about the U.S when you haven't lived a day here. 



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Joe00uk, I think it's so interesting that you seem to know so much about the U.S when you haven't lived a day here. 

I live in a society which suffers a lot of the same problems as the US and news from the US is constantly pumped to us. Someone living in East Germany probably had a fairly accurate general idea of what was happening in the Soviet Union as a whole because the regimes were structured similarly and experienced many of the same issues, even though they were different countries. Well, it's the same with Western Europeans vis a vis the US. Also, do you really not think that other Americans might disagree with you? The stuff I hear comes from Americans who live there and go and investigate what's happening for themselves.



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Ok, thanks for the clarification. Still, a lot of us preceded the groups that you are talking about. Importantly, we can trace our heritage back to at least the 19th century or very early twentieth century.  So we can and do provide guidance for the new arrivals. There is also a naturalization process whereby immigrants who want to become citizens must display a basic knowledge of civics. So, that includes some understanding concerning the Constitution, etc.

Yes, but they don't suddenly become the same as other Americans - not that that's "better" or "worse", but people preserve their differences for generations and that's natural. People should keep their own traditions, their own heritage, their own culture - but part of that means different peoples remain separate to one another and constitute different nations (that is, when you get into the root of the word 'nation' which refers to 'birth'). Hispanic-Americans aren't the same as African-Americans and they aren't the same as White Americans, who in turn aren't the same as Native Americans - and that's after a very long time of living together in the US. 

 

 

Just to quibble a little - Hispanic is an ethnic term related to the culture one comes from and the major language of that culture. African-American refers to race. There are, in fact, many Blacks who are also of Hispanic heritage. They often come from Latin American countries where slavery was imported.  

 

Also, racially, Hispanic is largely a subset of White, although as I already mentioned there are some who are of Black heritage.  

 

Hispanics who married Native Americans are often called things like "Mexican" if they did so south of the Rio Grande.  Native Americans and Whites intermingled so much in what is now the United States that I think there are probably a lot of folks who have some Native American blood who do not even know it.  

 

Otherwise, I don't much disagree with what you are saying as quoted in this post.  As you said earlier, there are a lot of ways this can all play out.

 

Edit: Spelling errors corrected.


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What's more pertinent to the question of the integrity of the republic? The few examples we can point to of unrest or the millions of daily interactions between people who eat, sleep, work, go to school, have sex, and pray together of all different races here in the United States?

Every aspect of our lives is one of diversity and inclusion. With every passing day it only becomes more so.
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People on this forum, white and black alike, are telling you that what you're saying is bullsh!t, but you continue to insist. I suspect that the problem is not that "diversity never works" but instead that you don't want it to work. You're just projecting your two utmost desires, ethno-states and the fall of America, on the forum and trying to bludgeon the thread with empty rhetoric until we agree.

 

 

P.S. We won't.



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No, I also base my judgement on alternative news sources and sociological studies that come to the same conclusion, although perhaps I should have mentioned that in my earlier post.  Point is, I read the flyers inviting me to the protests, or drove by while they were occurring.   It has also been my experience that violent protests receive far more media coverage than do non-violent parades and protests.  Gay pride parades in San Francisco come to mind. I traveled there once and witnessed an astonishingly huge parade of that type. Came home - not a peep on the local news, much less the national media.  One of many many such examples.

 

 

 

i am not saying that violence is not a part of our history. Just that you folks relying on media sources are going to get a very distorted vision of what is gping on.

Okay, fair enough, but just because there were a large number of peaceful protests as well doesn't mean that somehow violent riots didn't happen or that they weren't widespread. If there were 10,000 incidents of protests this year in America and 90% of them were peaceful, that still means there were 1,000 which were violent. If your business burned to the ground or if someone you knew was injured or even killed, it isn't much comfort if other protests were 90% peaceful.

 

 Yes, and as I have mentioned elsewhere, a large number of those incidents are accounted for by anarchists and agent provocateurs. Although in these modern instances, those provocateurs may not have been sponsored or affiliated with the police.  Rather, they were independent right wing actors seeking to discredit the peaceful protests.


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People on this forum, white and black alike, are telling you that what you're saying is bullsh!t, but you continue to insist. I suspect that the problem is not that "diversity never works" but instead that you don't want it to work. You're just projecting your two utmost desires, ethno-states and the fall of America, on the forum and trying to bludgeon the thread with empty rhetoric until we agree.

 

 

P.S. We won't.

Just because you personally want it to work doesn't mean it will. Seriously. Do you really think that America is exceptional and somehow exists in some parallel universe which is immune to all the social problems that have caused other civilisations and empires to collapse? And again, do you really think there aren't millions of Americans who would strongly disagree with you? You remind me of some people before the fall of the Soviet Union (this is people who were living there) who thought, surely, Soviet Union couldn't collapse! What nonsense! They were a modern, scientific, socialist state. They had overcome the problems of the capitalist empires of old! But no, they hadn't, they still collapsed even though they thought they were immune.



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Yes, and as I have mentioned elsewhere, a large number of those incidents are accounted for by anarchists and agent provocateurs. Although in these modern instances, those provocateurs may not have been sponsored or affiliated with the police.  Rather, they were independent right wing actors seeking to discredit the peaceful protests.

They still happened though, even if anarchists instigated them. I haven't seen any real evidence for the right wing actors theory, just speculation from people who don't want to believe the riots were instigated by people who were on "their side". 



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Yes, and as I have mentioned elsewhere, a large number of those incidents are accounted for by anarchists and agent provocateurs. Although in these modern instances, those provocateurs may not have been sponsored or affiliated with the police.  Rather, they were independent right wing actors seeking to discredit the peaceful protests.

They still happened though, even if anarchists instigated them. I haven't seen any real evidence for the right wing actors theory, just speculation from people who don't want to believe the riots were instigated by people who were on "their side". 

 

 Well, I have posted "evidence" to that effect elsewhere.  

 

I also include anarchists because there is a fringe element on the left who think that such tactics are somehow constructive.  Oh well.

 

Edit:  Emphasis should be placed on the word "fringe". 


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what you're saying is bullsh!t

By the way, can you tell me what's actually bullshit about it without saying "my neighbourhood wasn't nuked so therefore racial tensions aren't real"?

 

And also, wow, didn't take you long to get emotional, did it?



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People on this forum, white and black alike, are telling you that what you're saying is bullsh!t, but you continue to insist. I suspect that the problem is not that "diversity never works" but instead that you don't want it to work. You're just projecting your two utmost desires, ethno-states and the fall of America, on the forum and trying to bludgeon the thread with empty rhetoric until we agree.

 

 

P.S. We won't.

Just because you personally want it to work doesn't mean it will. Seriously. Do you really think that America is exceptional and somehow exists in some parallel universe which is immune to all the social problems that have caused other civilisations and empires to collapse? And again, do you really think there aren't millions of Americans who would strongly disagree with you?

 

I could flip that question back unto you: do you really think there aren't millions of Americans who would strongly disagree with you? This is 500AD; this is not 250 BC; the simple fact that you've even met a person from a different ethnicity or racial group indicates that this is not the world of 1000 years ago. Therefore, your appeal to the past has no value; if anything, it makes you seem less historically-inclined because you fail to see the difference between a world in which you can cross the globe in hours and a previous world in which the only people you'd ever know were in your village.



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I could flip that question back unto you: do you really think there aren't millions of Americans who would strongly disagree with you? This is 500AD; this is not 250 BC; the simple fact that you've even met a person from a different ethnicity or racial group indicates that this is not the world of 1000 years ago. Therefore, your appeal to the past has no value; if anything, it makes you seem less historically-inclined because you fail to see the difference between a world in which you can cross the globe in hours and a previous world in which the only people you'd ever know were in your village.

My "appeal to the past" i.e. the concrete reality that ethnically diverse civilisations and Empires always break apart on national lines and there is no good reason to believe America is any different. Go and disprove it then. Tell me just how eternally stable and endlessly cohesive the USA will be for all time and how racial tensions are somehow a negligible issue then. 



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what you're saying is bullsh!t

By the way, can you tell me what's actually bullshit about it without saying "my neighbourhood wasn't nuked so therefore racial tensions aren't real"?

 

And also, wow, didn't take you long to get emotional, did it?

 

 

The fact that you had to come back and respond twice indicates that what I said hit a chord. I won't say 'wow' because it's not surprising that you couldn't handle rebuttal without some of your veins bulging.



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The fact that you had to come back and respond twice indicates that what I said hit a chord. I won't say 'wow' because it's not surprising that you couldn't handle rebuttal without some of your veins bulging.

You're the one who started whining to me about "bullshit" and "bludgeoning the thread with empty rhetoric" just because it personally upsets you. Stay triggered all you want. You're still yet to make a single rebuttal by the way. If you were smart, you'd be like caltrek, who is actually respectable because he'll engage in discussion and actually answer your points.



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Joe... He's emotional? Fuck me bro I can't be arsed.

You're literally still so butthurt from the last time I called you out on this same bullshit that you're literally ignoring me. Seed emotional for saying "bullshit?"

Bless me I need to get off the internet.
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I could flip that question back unto you: do you really think there aren't millions of Americans who would strongly disagree with you? This is 500AD; this is not 250 BC; the simple fact that you've even met a person from a different ethnicity or racial group indicates that this is not the world of 1000 years ago. Therefore, your appeal to the past has no value; if anything, it makes you seem less historically-inclined because you fail to see the difference between a world in which you can cross the globe in hours and a previous world in which the only people you'd ever know were in your village.

My "appeal to the past" i.e. the concrete reality that ethnically diverse civilisations and Empires always break apart on national lines and there is no good reason to believe America is any different. Go and disprove it then. Tell me just how eternally stable and endlessly cohesive the USA will be for all time and how racial tensions are somehow a negligible issue then. 

 

 

For someone like you, it'd be waste of time. You'd repeat the same old tired lines.

Good day, sir.  Later today, I'll drink some tea and eat some fish&chips in your honor.



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"Stay triggered all you want"
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Joe... He's emotional? Fuck me bro I can't be arsed.

You're literally still so butthurt from the last time I called you out on this same bullshit that you're literally ignoring me. Seed emotional for saying "bullshit?"

Bless me I need to get off the internet.

"Butthurt" are you twelve years old? And "called me out", all you ever reply with is some platitude about how "America is making the most progress ever", it's not even worth responding to you, honestly. It's like talking to some AI chatbot. 



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For someone like you, it'd be waste of time. You'd repeat the same old tired lines.

Good day, sir.  Later today, I'll drink some tea and eat some fish&chips in your honor.

Exactly, you've got no argument and you know it. Why did you even post in this thread to begin with?



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Joe... He's emotional? Fuck me bro I can't be arsed.

You're literally still so butthurt from the last time I called you out on this same bullshit that you're literally ignoring me. Seed emotional for saying "bullshit?"

Bless me I need to get off the internet.

"butthurt" are you twelve years old? And "called me out", all you ever reply with is some platitude about how "America is making the most progress ever", it's barely worth responding to you, honestly. It's like talking to some AI chatbot.

Joe, I'm 12 when you were the one ignoring me from when I called you out last time? Of course you don't recall that though do you? Anyways you can look at all the surveys, statistics, and actual evidence as to race relations as opposed to "historical laws" of which there are none. As seed pointed out we live in a different age. You know what else was was a historical law? Horses. But then we got cars.

Anyways bro it's all good you're entitled to your opinion.
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