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Socialist planning and the environment crisis - computer scientist and economist Paul Cockshot

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Haven't watched his newest lecture yet but Cockshott has taught me a lot about the environmental crisis. Good post!



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Socialist planning leads to mass destruction of the environment due to the wrong incentives and lack of economic calculation (a.k.a market gauging).

Recently I've stumbled on this disturbing fact: https://fee.org/arti...g-the-cold-war/

They killed them all for no reason at all. Just because.

 

 

Why the Soviets Slaughtered 180,000 Whales During the Cold War

 
It was one of the fastest decimations of an animal population in world history—and it had happened almost entirely in secret. The Soviet Union was a party to the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling, a 1946 treaty that limited countries to a set quota of whales each year. By the time a ban on commercial whaling went into effect, in 1986, the Soviets had reported killing a total of 2,710 humpback whales in the Southern Hemisphere.
 
In fact, the country’s fleets had killed nearly 18 times that many, along with thousands of unreported whales of other species. It had been an elaborate and audacious deception: Soviet captains had disguised ships, tampered with scientific data, and misled international authorities for decades. In the estimation of the marine biologists Yulia Ivashchenko, Phillip Clapham, and Robert Brownell, it was “arguably one of the greatest environmental crimes of the 20th century.


 



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See? Commies are evil.

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I didn't want to take that source at face value as it is from a anti communist site. I asked people on a discord chat about the article like a day ago and got no response. I can look into it myself tomorrow if you want. I do view whaling as a minor thing, if its true off the top of my head Khrushchev's and Brezhnev's restoration of profits and making enterprises independent would have played a role. 



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Instead of posting OFF TOPIC cold-war inspired rhetoric about a dead country from a "libertarian" thinktank that is on the record for publishing thinkers like Murray Rothbard who supports the idea that parents should be able to sell their children on the free market why don't you a read a book? Don't believe me that the philosophical background and motive of the people in question should be looked at with a critical eye? Here's a book! Rothbard elucidate us! "The parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights." Thus, parents should have the legal right to let any infant die by starvation. However, since "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children" he wrote, "the existence of a free baby market will bring such 'neglect' down to a minimum" Make note of those qoutations around the word "neglect." Rothbard, and presumably the philosophical thinkers and economists of his school do not think that starving one's own children is a form of neglect. I would be so bold as to call it torture and filicide, but to them it's perhaps virtuous. Children are property by this schools measure after all, and it is virtuous to treat one's property however they may wish.

 

The Full quote without my paraphrased contextualizing to show I am not taking this out of context at all:

 

The parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die. The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive.

 

https://mises.org/li.../ethics-liberty

 

Source: Page 100 in the NYU Press edition.

 

One wonders what lies in the depths of a mans mind who dares to dehumanize children to the status of property. To not even acknowledge them as fellow human beings, to refer to them as, "it."

 

I'm not even defending the USSR here specifically, and will not respond to posts in kind in this thread again. This thread wasn't about the USSR. It was about discussing Cockshott's work on the climate crisis and the crisis itself. It should be about topics like the effect of climate change on global cereal yields. How lessons may be learned from historical cybernetic planning and applied in the modern day. Lessons from both historical capitalist cybernetics (to the dismay of a million morons across the political spectrum) and socialist cybernetics, not a playground for zealotry. A reasonable point of nuance to bring up that is readily verifiable might have been the drying up of the Aral Sea, or to apply the same magnifying glass consistently the burning of the Amazon today. One may say I'm being a zealot myself. This isn't the case, I posted a case of complete moral bankruptcy from the bowels of libertarian thought to demonstrate that building on that critique there is no reasonable room for using words like, "evil." I'm so brazen because I'm tired of people not engaging in good faith and reading outside their echochambers, not because I'm demanding you go join the IWW because otherwise you'd be an evil sob.

 







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