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Will political correctness, cancelling, and liberal culture become obsolete?


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It just occurred to me how future technologies might upend our culture and some of its long-term trends. 

 

For example, the West is now in the grips of a "cancelling" frenzy, where mobs of politically correct people are destroying the livelihoods of people who don't conform to liberal values, and in fairness, conservatives of various stripes do similar things to liberals in other parts of the world. Countless people have lost their jobs, valuable contracts, and other deals as a result.

 

At first glance, there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel. However, won't the mob's leverage vanish once machines take all of our jobs, so no humans can get "fired" anymore? Assuming that we'll all subsist off of UBI, and the benefits will be unconditional, there will be no way to financially hurt other humans. 

 

Even the ability to hurt other people by suspending their social media accounts will be undermined once the centralized paradigm breaks down, which I believe it will. Twitter's deletion of Trump's account and other similar events like Facebook censoring the Myanmar government's accounts will be looked back on as watersheds that convinced key people the social media tech giants had too much power over speech. It's just a matter of time before the social media landscape fragments, and people move to decentralized platforms that are designed to be very hard or impossible to censor. Under the new paradigm, mobs and governments wouldn't be able to silence individuals they didn't like--the best they could do is block them from their own social media feeds. 

 

Likewise, there are endless complaints about how Hollywood (and, increasingly, the video game industry) consistently pushes a left-wing cultural and political agenda, which large segments of the world population find offensive. However, once AIs are advanced enough to create films, TV shows, and video games, the centralized content production and distribution model will break down, and individuals will be able to get whatever customized content they like. If you are a QAnon believer, and you only ever want to see American conservatives win and the liberal cannibal pedos lose, you could essentially push a button on your keyboard and live in that FIVR world forever. Entire institutions like schools, colleges, and churches, that were ideologically suited to your views, would arise and would be accessed through FIVR. 

 

While these developments might seem fanciful, they're actually in keeping with the (disturbing) trend for people to live in ever-more-curated "reality bubbles" where they only associate with people who share their views, and even have their own "alternative facts." The fabric of human society would become more fragmented than ever, and there could actually be resurgences of highly conservative culture around the world. 



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I guess the overarching rule will be to do no harm to others. In the future, there may be a regulatory mechanism, likely managed by an AI, to ensure that everyone with their own ideological tendencies can coexist without overstepping the boundary at which harm to another becomes possible. 


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This is what Yuli's been saying for a while.  Machine learning and AI content generation at such a level that it initiates the genesis of an ultrabizarroworld where there'd be no truth and an infinitude of incongruous realities that might only be separated by the width of the dinner table.



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I think ideology becomes irrelevant once we are living in a Utopia as it means the current system is working perfectly.

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Some of the complaints concerning the "canceling frenzy" are valid.  Others are sadly exaggerated to the point of paranoia and promoting a disconnect with history in the name of protecting historical memory. The following article illustrates this second point.

 

The Republican Grievance Perpetual Motion Machine

 

Introduction:

 

(The Week) The last few months have been hard sledding for the right-wing misinformation machine. Former President Donald Trump is off Twitter and barely on TV anymore, while Democrats are not providing all that much grist for the culture war mill. Meanwhile, Republicans really, really don't want to talk about what Democrats are actually doing — namely, working up a gigantic coronavirus relief package that is overwhelmingly popular and investigating the Jan. 6 putsch.

 

But nothing will stop hard-working right-wing media personalities from cooking up some new culture war slop to shovel into the eager mouths of the conservative base. There must always be a new cultural grievance to generate the requisite fits of purple-faced apoplexy, and by God it will proceed based on complete falsehoods if necessary.

 

The biggest story on the right this week has been about children's book author Dr. Seuss. Some of his books have obvious racist stereotypes, and there has long been discussion in some corners of academia about addressing this in some way. One school district in Virginia elected to deprioritize Seuss during the annual Read Across America day (meant to encourage child literacy), and the Seuss estate announced it would no longer publish six fairly obscure Dr. Seuss titles, because: "These books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong."

 

In response, the conservative victimhood machine went into warp drive. Fox News and Newsmax ran dozens of segments melting down about Dr. Seuss being CANCELED, with many suggesting that all his books were being banned altogether. "This is fascism!" yelled Glenn Beck on his show. "Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves," wrote Dan McLaughlin at National Review. Ben Shapiro promised he would buy "all the Dr Seuss volumes for the kids before the woke book-burners can get to them all."

 

The whole tantrum was completely deranged. I grew up reading Dr. Seuss, and the only one of the six discontinued books I had even heard of was And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street (which sure enough has a pretty blatant Asian stereotype in it). None of the true classics — Oh, the Places You'll Go, The Cat in the HatThe Grinch who Stole Christmas, Horton Hears a Who, The Lorax, Green Eggs and Ham, and so on — were "canceled." On the contrary, the conservative media frenzy drove a surge of virtue-signal buying, which landed many of those titles atop the Amazon best-seller list. Ted Cruz nonsensically boasted about this fact.


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The only battleground that couldn't be wished away with technology is politics. Regardless of what your self-curated reality bubble looks like, you'll still have to pay taxes and deal with legal restrictions on things like your ability to get abortions, guns and other things. 

 

Abandoning or reducing democracy in favor of some kind of pragmatic, technocratic machine-run government that sought to maximize human happiness could go a long way to solving partisan disagreements, though. 



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Abandoning or reducing democracy in favor of some kind of pragmatic, technocratic machine-run government that sought to maximize human happiness could go a long way to solving partisan disagreements, though. 

 

Like the Matrix, but only difference is that each of us will be plugged into our own Matrixes in exchange for donating our glucose while capsulated in some pink liquid to the machines for their dedicated service in maintaining our virtual utopias. Hmm... who is the parasite in this relationship? Oh well, not that it matters since we'll be too busy being englamoured in our own utopias.

 

That's just wonderful.

 

lol


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The only battleground that couldn't be wished away with technology is politics. Regardless of what your self-curated reality bubble looks like, you'll still have to pay taxes and deal with legal restrictions on things like your ability to get abortions, guns and other things. 

 

Abandoning or reducing democracy in favor of some kind of pragmatic, technocratic machine-run government that sought to maximize human happiness could go a long way to solving partisan disagreements, though. 

The latter part of your statement doesn't sound like the future; it sounds like China. 


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I find myself posting this video more often in reference to topics like this:




I suppose, tis only the logical outcome of current events. 



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I find myself posting this video more often in reference to topics like this:




I suppose, tis only the logical outcome of current events. 

 

This is wrong. Everyone know this is in fact the most profound moment in gaming history: 



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In the Metal Gear Solid video, I get a kick out of 13:33. 

 

Ha ha ha! From what any of us have seen in our lives, is ANY HUMAN QUALIFIED for it? 

 

We are stupendously bad at it! The game character getting outraged at the prospect of a machine being able to vet information is so dumb that it only shows he doesn't even realize how dumb he is. 



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^ Y'know, I'm very much looking forward to the day someone creates a deepfake media synthesis of the Leeroy Jenkins strategy actually being successful.  :D Imagine, Leeroy solos the entire dungeon carrying the party lol No one (old enough to remember) would be the wiser. 
 

The game character getting outraged at the prospect of a machine being able to vet information is so dumb that it only shows he doesn't even realize how dumb he is. 

 

I could easily see people reacting the way he does, even word for word almost. When this does happen, either this decade... or next, I expect there will be similar debate, but ultimately the crazier things become and the need for society to function in a sane (truthful?) manner by a strictly unbiased "gatekeeper" something akin to "creating context" will be necessitated. 

Actually, given the issues right now, the first major use of an AGI may very well be this assuming it's as soon as Yuli believes it to be. 11:45 of that video is literally this thread, so I understand why A.I. needs to ultimately become qualified as the new arbiters of our evolution. We are just too flawed without it. 



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I understand that another test of political correctness is the proper gender identification of Mr. Potato Head.  I wonder what the Matrix will make of that.  :) 


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Do any of you think that Trump announcing his presidential bid was a contributing factor as to how this whole SJW/PC/woke culture we're currently experiencing came into being?



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^^^Oh, I think the so called cultural war, encouraged by many a Fox News commentator, is very much being encouraged as a distraction to the major news items of the day. In the USA Watch thread, I have been documenting progress on the Covid relief bill.  This is reportedly a very popular piece of legislation supported even by many rank and file Republicans.  So, media elites don't want an excessive focus on that economic front.  They prefer to  find something else to complain about.  Some of the complaints arising on this cultural front are valid, or at least not entirely without merit.  Still, and on the whole, it is just a big distraction, fueled by a backlash to what are portrayed as an excessive zeal for political correctness. Some times this includes vague undertones of coded racism. Those supporting political correctness would do well to not overplay their hand and to strike a reasonable position so as not to add fuel to a fire being fed by the other side.


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On the topic of modern cancel culture, something funny just occurred to me

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To say nothing of what goes on in the Muslim nations, India, or Eastern Europe.

 

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Hence why I tend to say that synthetic media's more the realm of those who want to craft their own worldview, no matter which political affiliation they prescribe to. People worry about it being used for propaganda to promote only one worldview and crush all others, but that's not what's going to happen. 

 

Once we have capable magic media machines, all bets are off. With the right tools, there'll be a new reality for every person.

 

But at the same time, there might be a window of time for socialization between these bubbles. Indeed, I fully expect this to be the case.

 

People still crave contact; we humans are social apes. We're going to want to interact with others. Turing Test-capable AGI is always nice, but some I can bet will want to know for a fact that real humans appreciate their personally-tailored reality as well.

 

What's more, I'm really being generous by saying there'll be a reality for every person. Not until ubiquitous BCIs will that be a thing. I recall a statistic that only 10% of people are responsible for creating 90% of the content on the internet, and a smaller fraction still are responsible for creating high-quality content. This is likely to be the case with synthetic media. You could synthesize your own reality, but that might be a little bit too much work, so people'll choose to join in collective bubbles that generally share their exact interests.

 

Therefore you'll find the out-of-reality bubbles of those who want to live in an ultrafascistic theocratic neo-medieval utopia where Aryan aristocrats gleefully abuse the untermenschen and shag prepubescent girls as well as those who drink from the well of a Stalinist super-industrial worker's paradise of pure classless nationalistic joys. Going outside breaks the illusion, but quarantine proves there's no need to go outside anyway.


And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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People who believe Cancel Culture threatens them personally have a persecution complex 50 kilometers wide.

 

As with any cultural discourse, ideas and behaviors that are beneficial or valuable survive the stresses of time. Those that aren't will be deconstructed and relegated to the dustbin of history. Things seem to even out over time in this way.

 

Take for example Planned Parenthood. Nobody alive today remembers that Planned Parenthood was founded by a radical first-wave feminist (Margaret Sanger) who believed she was fighting the good fight against misegenation by widening access to contraception. But, y'know, contraception is now a ubiquitous aspect of culture, and eugenics isn't.


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What's more, I'm really being generous by saying there'll be a reality for every person. Not until ubiquitous BCIs will that be a thing. I recall a statistic that only 10% of people are responsible for creating 90% of the content on the internet, and a smaller fraction still are responsible for creating high-quality content. This is likely to be the case with synthetic media. You could synthesize your own reality, but that might be a little bit too much work, so people'll choose to join in collective bubbles that generally share their exact interests.

Right. I've thought the same thing. Instead of designing worlds for each individual person, it might be just as well to make one world for every 1,000 people. 

 

The present state of porn, where there are a million little fetishes and internet forums where people with shared tastes can talk, might be instructive. 






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