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I recently read something for school that was talking about New Urbanism where everything is dense and therefore close by and it reminded me of something I saw once on a science program. I think they were called "City Towers" which  buildings that are cites within themselvles. Imagine that when you got up in the morning and had to go to work or school all you had to do once you left your house is take an elevator and BAM you're there!!! I fell in love with the idea from the start. (this also applies to resuarants, banks, post offices ect.) I was wondering if it's been predicted as to when it'll happen or better yet if it's already being worked on? :D



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It'll take massive amount of resources to make it feasible.

 

Earth itself doesn't have the resources but perhaps with asteroid mining, we could do it along with more breakthroughs in building design.


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It's a really cool idea, but it feels like having AI-driven flying cars would be a kind of prerequisite. What if something like that were to catch fire? Or experience an earthquake? Chaos would ensue, and the loss of human life would border on the level of a national tragedy.

 

Not to mention that the thing could possibly transform into a wretched hive of scum and villainy (see Dredd for more details).

 

In order for a concept like this to be successful in execution, we would need a ton of resources to build and maintain it and a LOT of safety measures must be taken. The thing would probably need to be highly automated and run by advanced AI so that if someone's trash can catches fire, action is taken immediately so that a full-scale evacuation won't be necessary.


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possible but as stated it would require a ridiculous amount of resources and a power supply just for the tower. Also it would require a new material to replace steel because since the tower would have to be wider than the typical tower today (which is around a block wide of surface area), and this would cause ridiculous amounts of tension, stress, and pressure in certain points of the tower which would also result in large amounts of heat towards the bottom. also the massive amount of people constantly moving throughout this tower would require a large amount of high-speed elevators in constant use, along with many other means such as water supply, outdoor areas, quick police/ambulance protection, also fire protection which could be lethal for many, etc to make this city - tower function properly, which as you could tell would be extremely difficult to fit all into one building.

 

Worst of all if one terrorist decided to bomb and take out one support for such a massive building, the massive amount of weight would focus on that one area and cause other supports to fail in turn possibly collapsing the whole structure.

 

physics shows us just because we make a structure larger or smaller (to scale) doesn't necessarily mean that it will function the same way. this means just because we take large buildings the way they are made today and make them taller, wider, and denser doesn't mean that the structure will hold or function the same way


Edited by Squillimy, 20 March 2013 - 05:13 AM.

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Similar to what was seen on "Dredd"? Not an exactly ideal situation but the idea is interesting.


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Oh ok so advances in AI need to be made. What are the other resources you guys are talking about? Does the Earth not have enough material? 



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This is quite an old idea and for me it's similar appealing. It's called an arcology, there where plan to build something like this in Dubai before the financial crisis but the plan was cancelled than. There exist other plans to build one in Tokio but this may just an idea. 

Form my point of view this could be very beneficial especially if this towers are self sufficient in terms of energy and food (vertical farming).



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This is quite an old idea and for me it's similar appealing. It's called an arcology, there where plan to build something like this in Dubai before the financial crisis but the plan was cancelled than. There exist other plans to build one in Tokio but this may just an idea. 

Form my point of view this could be very beneficial especially if this towers are self sufficient in terms of energy and food (vertical farming).

 

But first, there needs to be a market demand for buildings of that nature. It's hard to think of a reason why we would want a building like that at present time. Perhaps, a visionary will come along and show us why we NEED this type of architecture to sustain our civilization.


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An arcology that was self-sustainable and supported thousands of people would by extremely awesome. However, I don't think they are "needed" at this time, as many people prefer comfort over a horizontal area and we are well within our means to support the needs of ten billion people on the planet if resources were allocated efficiently.


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Personally living in a tower my whole life sounds like hell. Its like the capital planet in Orson Scott Card's The Worthing Saga in which the worlds inhabitants live in a massive endless maze of steel corridors.



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Personally living in a tower my whole life sounds like hell. Its like the capital planet in Orson Scott Card's The Worthing Saga in which the worlds inhabitants live in a massive endless maze of steel corridors.

 

You have a vivid imagination, I suppose. But luckily for us, things tend to turn out differently than we expect.


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This is quite an old idea and for me it's similar appealing. It's called an arcology, there where plan to build something like this in Dubai before the financial crisis but the plan was cancelled than. There exist other plans to build one in Tokio but this may just an idea. 

Form my point of view this could be very beneficial especially if this towers are self sufficient in terms of energy and food (vertical farming).

 

But first, there needs to be a market demand for buildings of that nature. It's hard to think of a reason why we would want a building like that at present time. Perhaps, a visionary will come along and show us why we NEED this type of architecture to sustain our civilization.

 

There are ares in the world where building ground is so expensive that it would make sense (Tokyo is an example for that, why they have the idea there to build things like an arcology on the water or the skycity. Even though this are extreme expensive buildings, the building costs are still a minority of the overall costs.


Edited by tornado64, 28 March 2013 - 01:16 PM.


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This is quite an old idea and for me it's similar appealing. It's called an arcology, there where plan to build something like this in Dubai before the financial crisis but the plan was cancelled than. There exist other plans to build one in Tokio but this may just an idea. 

Form my point of view this could be very beneficial especially if this towers are self sufficient in terms of energy and food (vertical farming).

 

But first, there needs to be a market demand for buildings of that nature. It's hard to think of a reason why we would want a building like that at present time. Perhaps, a visionary will come along and show us why we NEED this type of architecture to sustain our civilization.

 

There are ares in the world where building ground is so expensive that it would make sense (Tokyo is an example that, why they have the idea there to build things like an arcology on the water or the skycity. That even if this are extreme expensive buildings, the building costs are still a minority of the overall costs.

 

Or perhaps Hong Kong will be the very first... :)


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