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From the director of District 9

 


Edited by Craven, 10 April 2013 - 01:36 PM.

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I can hardly wait to see this film!

 

Loved District 9 and am looking forward to Elysium.


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Looks very interesting. 


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Looks awesome.
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I really enjoyed District 9, I'll definitely go see this for the tech porn alone.


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Looks very cool, however I have no idea what he says at the end of the trailer.



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"They will hunt you to the edge of the Earth for this."


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Looks cool but I have to say I was dissapointed when I heard he wasn't making a sequel to the god that is District 9. From what I heard Elysium has a very dystopian future where all the rich are on a spacestation and all the poor are on the Earth.

 

But doesnt this take place in 2150? If the rich have access to the kinds of technology we expect to be around in 2150, Matt Damon may not stand a very good chance at all!


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Looks cool but I have to say I was dissapointed when I heard he wasn't making a sequel to the god that is District 9. From what I heard Elysium has a very dystopian future where all the rich are on a spacestation and all the poor are on the Earth.

 

But doesnt this take place in 2150? If the rich have access to the kinds of technology we expect to be around in 2150, Matt Damon may not stand a very good chance at all!

If that tech was present in the movie you'd have to wonder why there would be such a class divide in the first place.



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If that tech was present in the movie you'd have to wonder why there would be such a class divide in the first place.
  Same reason INGSOC goes through all the trouble of maintaining a dystopia, for power over others (and also, because they can).

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New trailer:

 


Edited by Craven, 14 June 2013 - 08:59 AM.

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Trying to limit my exposure to trailers. Because sometimes the idiots in charge of U.S. advertising think it would be a good idea to give away the best parts.


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This film looks amazing, LOVE Matt Damon too although this isn't the kind of role I'm used to seeing him as. 



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Trying to limit my exposure to trailers. Because sometimes the idiots in charge of U.S. advertising think it would be a good idea to give away the best parts.

I try to limit my exposure to trailers, but for different reasons. 1- They use the best parts of the movie in the trailer, and everything else sucks. 2- the trailer, thanks to Executive Meddling, portrays a movie different from what is actually the case (would be funny if this were actually a sociopolitical drama). 3- They use the "flashiest" parts of the movie to attract viewers. Related to reasons 1 and 2. 


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All in all, it looks more like it's going to be your typical action movie with some 'We are the 99.9%' rhetoric, your typical contemporary transhumanism, set to the Lowest Common Denominator market. I'd be surprised if it threw us for a loop.


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looks very interesting, it's always interesting seeing depictions of the future, no matter how bleak!


Edited by Kabe Ayofe, 17 June 2013 - 09:14 AM.


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Just watched this not 20 minutes ago. I thought it was god awful. I actually thought it was bad enough to warrant me to come online and whinge about it. 

 

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It's an okay movie but it's sorely lacking. The acting's alright and the future's nicely dystopian with some trappings of transhumanism and the Singularity... 

BUT NOT ENOUGH. It doesn't satisfy you one goddamn bit. It's just another action movie that just so happens to have some passing commentary on class and social issues. It's NOT the "working class thriller" some have been saying it is. It has a lot of tech for technophiles, but you nevertheless feel like it's insulting you at most turns. 

 

In terms of sociotechnopolitics (social issues explored in the future, with the addition of AI and a robotic working class)- which, if you've been following my own Mother Meki story I feel is a very interesting concept and especially daring to play in this current Lowest Common Denominator-loving market- it completely ignores so many possible plots and instead says "here's the rich in their natural habitat away from the poor, and here are the poor screwed by the rich."

 

Then it doesn't deliver on any real messages beyond that. There's no solidarity- just the usual rugged white male lead waging a one man war. Just a rugged white male lead with some cybernetics that look even less impressive than the Emotiv Insight. 2150 and tech from 140 years prior looks better than it? Really?

So to me, there was an awesome concept that was completely and utterly wasted to appeal to moderately political SF types. Except that it doesn't capitalize on it. You've got libertards saying its communist; you've got commutards saying it's post-capitalist... It's actually closer to post-capitalist with some anarchist sentiments yet feels like it's trying to be libertarian. Doesn't pull off this schizoid mannerism well at all. It does more to piss people off, cause them to throw their hands up in the air and watch the explosions than start a debate about sociotechnology. It's not that epic movie that we were promised. It's not that kind of film people will be talking about 50 years from now. I barely want to talk about it right now. 

That 'throw us for a loop' I mentioned on the last page never came.  Elsyium is explosive for its explosions. Its tech is techy. But it's not memorable. 

 

Overall, while it's a good watch I think, it fails to really satisfy you if you're into these things. It feels too science-fictiony. It doesn't have the draw of District 9. I wouldn't watch it again if didn't have to or if there was anything better airing.

 

I'd give in a 7/10 and that's being a bit generous.  The acting was pretty good, mainly because Hollywood actor has begun nailing some of the nuances of performance. But beyond Max (lead character) I don't feel any incentive for character actions. It's just kinda like a decent satire of modern day America and its hypocrisies without trying to make it feel worthwhile to dwell on. 

 

This film SHOULD have been a sociopolitical drama with some action scenes at absolute best. The way it presented itself just doesn't work well. District 9 did it almost perfectly. It's the kind of film we'll be talking about for a while, holding all other sociotechopolitical stories to its standard. Elysium falls well short of that standard.


Edited by The Young Homo Maximus, 17 August 2013 - 06:41 PM.

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I guess I'll get it on Netflix upon the speedy DVD release, then...


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