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One thing that the timeline doesn't mention is the Phoenix lander on Mars that was launched in 2007 and landed in 2008. Everyone seems to forget this lander, even though it discovered water ice in the Martian pole. Is this a good thing to put on the timeline?

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Yeah i think it should be part of the timeline, i also forgot that lander.

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Well its only listing the very important and world first sort of events. Landing a rover on mars isn't very impressive since we've been doing it since the 70's. Yes it did find some new stuff but that is kind of expected from each new mission to a planet, otherwise we wouldn't keep going back. Finding ice was kind of expected by lots of people. I just don't think its a particularly monumental event.

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Well its only listing the very important and world first sort of events. Landing a rover on mars isn't very impressive since we've been doing it since the 70's. Yes it did find some new stuff but that is kind of expected from each new mission to a planet, otherwise we wouldn't keep going back. Finding ice was kind of expected by lots of people. I just don't think its a particularly monumental event.


1: Phoenix isn't a rover, it is a stationary lander. Get your facts straight.
2: Doesn't matter what is expected, it only matters what is confirmed.
3: If finding the substance that supports life isn't monumental, I don't know what is.

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I agree it needs adding.

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Well its only listing the very important and world first sort of events. Landing a rover on mars isn't very impressive since we've been doing it since the 70's. Yes it did find some new stuff but that is kind of expected from each new mission to a planet, otherwise we wouldn't keep going back. Finding ice was kind of expected by lots of people. I just don't think its a particularly monumental event.


1: Phoenix isn't a rover, it is a stationary lander. Get your facts straight.
2: Doesn't matter what is expected, it only matters what is confirmed.
3: If finding the substance that supports life isn't monumental, I don't know what is.


Yes, it's not a rover but that's kind of an irrelevant point to care about, the technical demands of launching and landing it are the same, if not easier. My point is just that I could make a similar case for why lot's of space missions should be included which aren't. All missions have scientific merit and are all important in some way or other. Randomly picking one and insisting it's more important than all the others just seems silly. I mean we had already seen all the ice from previous missions that were orbiting mars. We knew what it was and where it was. I could just as easily say the MRO mission discovered water on mars.

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Well, I guess Kepler was unnecessary because most people already thought that Earth-like exoplanets might exist, plus, we had already discovered a handful. :dry:

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Well, I guess Kepler was unnecessary because most people already thought that Earth-like exoplanets might exist, plus, we had already discovered a handful. :dry:


at what point did i say any mission was unnecessary? there have been hundreds of missions in space and they've all been useful and taught us more about our universe.
how do you equate "not monumental" to "unnecessary.

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Oh, sorry. Word mix up there. Heres a fix for you: I guess Kepler was not monumental because most people thought that Earth-like exoplanets might exist, plus we had already discovered a handful. Also: Hubble isn't monumental, because such beautiful places in space were thought to exist. The Apollo landings weren't monumental, because we figured that we could land a man on the Moon, plus, we already had theories on what Moon rocks were made of.

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Wow, you really love that phoenix lander. I can't argue with a love that strong, put it on the timeline. ps. hubble wasn't made with the sole objective of taking pretty pictures..

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Wow, you don't think Hubble was monumental?! It has given mankind the first true glimpse into the heart of the universe and allowed us to see wonders that, although theorised, were only that. It's like me saying well I know there's life out there somewhere, so finding it won't be that monumental ;)
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what's going on? Is anyone actually reading what's been typed? Hubble is great, we're all agreed on that.

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Wow, you don't think Hubble was monumental?! It has given mankind the first true glimpse into the heart of the universe and allowed us to see wonders that, although theorised, were only that. It's like me saying well I know there's life out there somewhere, so finding it won't be that monumental ;)


It was sarcasm. :p

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Oh, sorry. Word mix up there. Heres a fix for you:

I guess Kepler was not monumental because most people thought that Earth-like exoplanets might exist, plus we had already discovered a handful.

Also:

Hubble isn't monumental, because such beautiful places in space were thought to exist.

The Apollo landings weren't monumental, because we figured that we could land a man on the Moon, plus, we already had theories on what Moon rocks were made of.


Umm, well this is what was said? I am misreading it now?
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he was using my comment about the phoenix lander, but changing the context to different situations which then seemed silly things to say in order to imply by analogy that my comment was silly too. However i've never been a big fan of using this method to try and make your argument have more substance, as when you change the context you pretty much change the whole meaning of the sentence. example person one says "I-Phones are pointless, android phones can do most of the same stuff" person two says "You idiot, I suppose you think assault rifles are pointless because longbows can do most of the same stuff"

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ah, kk, was having a bad night and my sarcasm reader was on the blibk ;)
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