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When will we have settlements on mars?


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I think the main issue we have to deal with is that Mars has a weak electromagnetic field because the core is stagnant, which is a problem.

 

Can't have a colony if everyone is getting cancer all the time from solar radiation, now can we?

 

How would we fix that?


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I think the main issue we have to deal with is that Mars has a weak electromagnetic field because the core is stagnant, which is a problem.

 

Can't have a colony if everyone is getting cancer all the time from solar radiation, now can we?

 

How would we fix that?

 

I believe Robert Zubrin did some research and said that the surface of Mars is pretty well shielded. We might be able to install additional shielding in habitats (some plastics are actually good at blocking radiation).


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Would these filters be practical for large-scale production though? Especially on Mars, these machines would have to be highly efficient and fairly powerful. I don't know a whole lot about this technology though...

Machines that use moderate power could use radioisotope thermoelectric generators which can be pretty expensive but still feasible (i.e. Curiosity uses one) But for larger machines such as ones that heat water in Martian soil in very large quantities (average martian soil is 4% water by weight) and collect the water vapor would be better fitted with multiple RTGs or even a mini reactor, though this would not be feasible for at least a couple of decades.



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live in a d0me. We can do the 3D printer thing like we plan on doing with mars. It'd have to be big though.. Nobody wants to live in a space as confined as the international space station for an extremely long period of time.

 

But since people are there and they have a 3D printer they can regularly make their settlement larger and larger. Using solar power and other renewable energies in order to provide electricity to do things like grow crops and invitro meat! Also, the base would likely need to be near the poles where the ice is; if it is drinkable.

 

Perhaps the colony could be made inside a volcano, as they haven't erupted for millions of years. That'd make it simpler in that you could just cover the mouth of a volcano and you'd be provided with a large and safe environment.


Edited by Squillimy, 15 August 2013 - 06:54 PM.

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I know that there have been skylights found on the surface of Mars that lead into underground lava tubes. If these are anything like Earth, there would be a lot of room in one for a decent-sized colony. You could easily seal off the entrance with local materials once you're inside.


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I believe Robert Zubrin did some research and said that the surface of Mars is pretty well shielded. We might be able to install additional shielding in habitats (some plastics are actually good at blocking radiation).
Derp, forgot about this as well.

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NASA and obama have publicly targeted 2030 as the first manned mission to Mars. If we think of  settlements rather than broad colonization,  the rapid growth of technology we are experiencing could put us up there by...um...(guessing)...2050.

 

 

With the way we're going today...I wouldn't count on America ever landing on mars. I'm not kidding.



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NASA and obama have publicly targeted 2030 as the first manned mission to Mars. If we think of  settlements rather than broad colonization,  the rapid growth of technology we are experiencing could put us up there by...um...(guessing)...2050.

 

 

With the way we're going today...I wouldn't count on America ever landing on mars. I'm not kidding.

I'm also going to assume that once Obama leaves office, the next administration will cancel the manned asteroid mission. Actually I'm very confident in this statement. I would say a good 80% chance.



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I think shortly after Orion is launched and makes it to Mars, serious plans to send a small colony commence. I reckon by 2040 humans will be voyaging to Mars for short/long term settlement.

 

Lets just hope future presidents don't impede NASA in anyway.


Edited by Kabe Ayofe, 16 August 2013 - 08:49 AM.


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Do you think the Mars One project is likely to be successfull ?

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Do you think the Mars One project is likely to be successfull ?

 

Hell no.


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Do you think the Mars One project is likely to be successfull ?

I'm leaning towards no. Surely they would have a lot more momentum and publicity if they really intended to get to Mars by 2023.

 

You never know though!



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The best scenario for Mars One would be a delay by a few years.


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Good news for those banking on Elon Musk getting to mars.

 

http://www.nasa.gov/...ml#.Ug54l233Pa-

 

 

NASA Commercial Crew Program (CCP) partner Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) recently reviewed the systems critical to sustaining crews in orbit and returning them safely to Earth aboard the company's Dragon spacecraft.

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We can not able to move to MARS ( like you seen in Total Recall 1990).. But, Human can build a space station and implement missile testing, advance weapon bombing. it might be around 2100.... But humans can possibly to settlements on other planets in another galaxy. It surely takes at least 5000 years from now (because the current technology space transportation is very slow).. Who knows? Andromeda Galaxy may have Earth like feature with water,air,nutrition facilities...But human would think about searching for place seriously... when the totally pollutes the our mother Earth, But, we are evolving from generation to generation... Our atom would start to accept the changes and we would modify into new form and i guess, we would still remain in the earth...



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Actually conferencemuthu, research has been done as to how to live on Mars; even make it more clement.


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Water? How would they get the air they need to breathe? How would they be self-sufficient?

 

There's plenty of water ice on Mars.

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Water_on_Mars

 

 

More than five million square kilometers of ice has been identified on the surface of modern Mars, which is enough to cover the whole planet to a depth of 35 meters.

 

 

As for breathable air, take the CO2 in the ambient Martian atmosphere, put it through a bosch or sabatier reactor (both produce water), take the water that was produced and split it into hydrogen and oxygen. Voila! Breathable air!


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Let's design a quantum assembler... to produce anything to our hearts' content.

 

Want oxygen? No problem! *assembling the necessary quarks from the quantum foam" Ta da!


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Let's design a quantum assembler... to produce anything to our hearts' content.

 

Want oxygen? No problem! *assembling the necessary quarks from the quantum foam" Ta da!

 

I think you're joking. But if you're not joking, there's the simple fact that building a device like that would take technology far in advance of our own. Meanwhile, extinction level events won't wait. Colonizing space should be done as soon as possible.


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I think you're joking. But if you're not joking, there's the simple fact that building a device like that would take technology far in advance of our own.

 

Indeed!

 

 

Meanwhile, extinction level events won't wait. Colonizing space should be done as soon as possible.

 

Agree!


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