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Poll: Immortality and Mars Colony (89 member(s) have cast votes)

When will Humans reach Immortality

  1. 2015 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 2025 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. 2035 (5 votes [5.62%] - View)

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  4. 2045 (8 votes [8.99%] - View)

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  5. 2055 (20 votes [22.47%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.47%

  6. 2075 (15 votes [16.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.85%

  7. 2100 (17 votes [19.10%] - View)

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  8. 2200 (7 votes [7.87%] - View)

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  9. Several Centuries From now (7 votes [7.87%] - View)

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When will Man make a colony on mars

  1. in 20 years (16 votes [17.98%] - View)

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  2. in 30 years (14 votes [15.73%] - View)

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  4. in a century (26 votes [29.21%] - View)

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  5. in several centuries (8 votes [8.99%] - View)

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  8. Never (1 votes [1.12%] - View)

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When will we stop all diseases

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  4. in 50 years (28 votes [31.46%] - View)

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  5. in 100 years (21 votes [23.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.60%

  6. in 500 years (8 votes [8.99%] - View)

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  8. 1000+ years (5 votes [5.62%] - View)

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  9. Voted never (18 votes [20.22%] - View)

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I would say that true immortality can only come through the ceasation and reversal of the aging process in the body in which you currently inhabit, anything else means that your physical body dies, whether you have uploaded to the net or created a clone, they are by definition sperate from you. In the example of a clone they may, indeed should, have the same memories as you, up until the point that you created the clone, but their personality would diverge at the point of cloning, and unless they experience exactly the same things as you from exactly the same perspective, they will not be the same as you. Uploading into the web is just a digital form of cloning, and as mentioned, what happens when a back-up of the system occurs, does it create more yous unto the nth degree? So I think that you will find that there are a number of options that people take to overcome mortality, all dependant on the price. The most wealthy will purchase very expensive treatments to continually reverse the aging process. Those without quite enough funds might opt for cloning and life extension treatments, whilst the rest will have to opt for digital uploading. For the exploration of Mars to occur by humans, there either needs to be some serious re-engineering of the human body, or the colonisation process would need to be done by robots, at least to begin with. Humans are engineered or life on this planet and anything outside of the normal environmental tolerances is normally quite lethal. What I could see is a virtual colonisation of Mars, using humans to guide the robots in an Avatar-like fashion, giving a sense of escape without actually travelling there (although there is the issue of the time lapse). Lastly, I don't think diseases will ever be eradicated, they may be reduced to a bare minimum, but mutations, new emergences will always force us to keep on our toes. And as mentioned, depends on whether you mean biological disease, I think there will be a rise in digital disease.
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I think mind-uploading could work if you were you replace one part of the brain at a time.
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People in 300 years from now who will have indefinite lifespans are going to be looking back at us and saying, "those poor bastards, they thought they would get a shot at immortality, but they didn't even come close ahahahaahha."
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I think that achieving imortality and eradicating all diseases will go hand in hand. By the time we understand the body and mind well enough to preserve both indefinitely, I think diseases will, by extension, no longer be an issue. Of course, I define the eradication of disease as the actual affliction and symptoms, not the organisms. Those we won't be able to get rid of, and probably shouldn't. This is off topic, but does this thread make anyone else think of this?:
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People will never live forever. There is point when stuff just shuts down. Colony on Mars? The US will be the first to go there, in 45 years. Cured all diseases? Never. Diseases mutate too fast for people to develop vaccines and stuff like that.

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Cured all diseases? Never.

I don't think you can say never. I do believe a time will come when we understand how every single facet of the human body functions, how every single gene works, and we'll have such incredible capability we'll be able to deal with anything. I don't think that's more than a few centuries away, either.

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Diseases mutate too fast

And I thought you didn't believe in evolution.

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Diseases mutate too fast

And I thought you didn't believe in evolution.

I don't believe that creatures look extremely different than they did 10, 20, 500 million years ago.

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I don't believe that creatures look extremely different than they did 10, 20, 500 million years ago.


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They died off.

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They died off.


Erm, that wasn't the question...
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The bible tells him how to think so obviously he's not going to give you a straight answer, even though he said, "diseases mutate" which is distinctively evolution.

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I recently had an argument about evolution with a co-worker. I pointed out how new dog breeds had popped up, and how this is a proof of theory for evolution. She denied it, and said that it wad adaptation, not evolution. I pointed out they were the same thing, but she might as well could have been going "lalalalallalalalala!!!!!" This to me, shows what the sort of people are that don't believe in evolution. I still think tha zac is extremely smart for a 13 year old though. I mean come on, had any of you even put half a thought about evolution when you were that age?

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I recently had an argument about evolution with a co-worker. I pointed out how new dog breeds had popped up, and how this is a proof of theory for evolution. She denied it, and said that it wad adaptation, not evolution. I pointed out they were the same thing, but she might as well could have been going "lalalalallalalalala!!!!!"

This to me, shows what the sort of people are that don't believe in evolution. I still think tha zac is extremely smart for a 13 year old though. I mean come on, had any of you even put half a thought about evolution when you were that age?

Yes, I did lol

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The proof of evolution is vastly overwhelming. The reason people don't believe in evolution is because they willingly choose to ignore reality.
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The proof of evolution is vastly overwhelming. The reason people don't believe in evolution is because they willingly choose to ignore reality.

Oh yeah, and I didn't duck out of the other thread, but it's going to take a while, maybe a month, to gather all the research and recent scientific discoveries that has gone into stopping senescence. I gave you the basics but you asked for the specifics.

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The proof of evolution is vastly overwhelming. The reason people don't believe in evolution is because they willingly choose to ignore reality.

Oh yeah, and I didn't duck out of the other thread, but it's going to take a while, maybe a month, to gather all the research and recent scientific discoveries that has gone into stopping senescence. I gave you the basics but you asked for the specifics.


Yes, because I'm not convinced that it's going to happen in any of our lifetimes. The time period for the FDA to approve such a treatment, if Congress ever does (which I doubt because of all the religious nut holes in my country - - which we can't even uphold abortion never mind pass anti-aging legislation, would take 10-20 years to be accepted by the FDA. So lets say the first anti-aging treatment comes on the market by 2060 (which is fair), it's not until 2070 until the very earliest it gets on the market. And it's going to be only affordable to the very rich for at least 5-10 years or until the next treatment. It could take up to 30 years for the price to come down. Basically, we're all dead, it's just a matter of how and when.
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The proof of evolution is vastly overwhelming. The reason people don't believe in evolution is because they willingly choose to ignore reality.

Oh yeah, and I didn't duck out of the other thread, but it's going to take a while, maybe a month, to gather all the research and recent scientific discoveries that has gone into stopping senescence. I gave you the basics but you asked for the specifics.


Yes, because I'm not convinced that it's going to happen in any of our lifetimes. The time period for the FDA to approve such a treatment, if Congress ever does (which I doubt because of all the religious nut holes in my country - - which we can't even uphold abortion never mind pass anti-aging legislation, would take 10-20 years to be accepted by the FDA. So lets say the first anti-aging treatment comes on the market by 2060 (which is fair), it's not until 2070 until the very earliest it gets on the market. And it's going to be only affordable to the very rich for at least 5-10 years or until the next treatment. It could take up to 30 years for the price to come down. Basically, we're all dead, it's just a matter of how and when.


I doubt the religious people would object the extension life. In their view abortion is taking life and extending life should be popular among them. Also a disapproval or a ban would go against "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". In fact i would see more resistance with environmentalists claiming that overpopulation would shoot. Your also forgetting that life expectancy will be raised. I believe by the 2060s life expectancy would be around 100 years. That being said I don't see a treatment to appear at least till 2050 and will take a maximum of 2090. I would say any one born after 1980 has a shot of immortality provided that they maintain their health.

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I doubt the religious people would object the extension life. In their view abortion is taking life and extending life should be popular among them. Also a disapproval or a ban would go against "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". In fact i would see more resistance with environmentalists claiming that overpopulation would shoot. Your also forgetting that life expectancy will be raised. I believe by the 2060s life expectancy would be around 100 years. That being said I don't see a treatment to appear at least till 2050 and will take a maximum of 2090. I would say any one born after 1980 has a shot of immortality provided that they maintain their health.


What you're saying could possibly be true, but I can't foresee the exact politics of this because I don't know how the political landscape will be in 50 years from now. If treatment comes out by 2070, I would be 89 years old. I was born in 1981, almost 82'. So like I said, it doesn't look good for anyone alive today, at least if you're above the age of 10.
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The proof of evolution is vastly overwhelming. The reason people don't believe in evolution is because they willingly choose to ignore reality.

Oh yeah, and I didn't duck out of the other thread, but it's going to take a while, maybe a month, to gather all the research and recent scientific discoveries that has gone into stopping senescence. I gave you the basics but you asked for the specifics.


Yes, because I'm not convinced that it's going to happen in any of our lifetimes. The time period for the FDA to approve such a treatment, if Congress ever does (which I doubt because of all the religious nut holes in my country - - which we can't even uphold abortion never mind pass anti-aging legislation, would take 10-20 years to be accepted by the FDA. So lets say the first anti-aging treatment comes on the market by 2060 (which is fair), it's not until 2070 until the very earliest it gets on the market. And it's going to be only affordable to the very rich for at least 5-10 years or until the next treatment. It could take up to 30 years for the price to come down. Basically, we're all dead, it's just a matter of how and when.

Do you honestly think that the political climate will be the same in 40 years? If these therapies do exist, even in the primitive form them will inevitably start out in, do you think people will stand for superfluous FDA trials? Secondly, it's not like it's not going to be some deus ex machina medicine. These therapies are going to be deeply intertwined with health care. By the 2020's we will have some form of personalized medicine. Genome sequencing will be incredibly cheap and gene therapy will be much more advanced than it is today. This is just one component out of many of longevity escape velocity. There's no singular point of it; there is no magical pill that will keep you young. This will be a continual evolution of what we're already doing in medicine and what's already in research and/or development. Longevity escape velocity will be incidental, not goal oriented.




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