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[StanleyAlexander]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the definition of "immortality" has been (for the last couple pages of this thread at least) true, hard immortality, where you do not die, ever, for any reason, and you live for infinity, regardless of the fate of our universe.

 

i believe it is our destiny to transcend time and space, thus achieving this kind of immortality by kind of existing "above" this universe and all of its time.

 

Infinity is infinity, so even achieving immortality in this way may not guarantee reprieve from a death outside this universe.  In other words, maybe you can be "infinity-style-immortal" with respect to THIS universe, but still be finite with respect to the multiverse.

[Raklian]

It'd be interesting to see how one can be immortal against the unrelenting, all-encompassing decay of entropy. My bet is we'll come up with an extremely clever workaround without having to escape this Universe - we can't imagine what we will do because that will be like a piece of unthinking dirt being completely indifferent to the vast, mind-boggling machinations of a planet-wide computation substrate.

[AngelXZYW]

Immortality is impossible, the reason is the second law of thermodynamics.

However, If you refer live a long time (millions of years), it is possible because not violate any law of thermodynamics, but in some moment everything must die.

[Raklian]

 

Immortality is impossible, the reason is the second law of thermodynamics.

However, If you refer live a long time (millions of years), it is possible because not violate any law of thermodynamics, but in some moment everything must die.

 

 

There is absolutely no reason for the second law of thermodynamics to remain what it is. It is specific to this universe but not necessarily in the next one.

[StanleyAlexander]

^ Agreed.  Not only that, but the second law only applies to closed systems, which you and I are not, and which our universe may not be.

[AngelXZYW]

^ Agreed.  Not only that, but the second law only applies to closed systems, which you and I are not, and which our universe may not be.

Okay, thank you for clarifying doubts, sorry for my ignorance.

[StanleyAlexander]

 

^ Agreed.  Not only that, but the second law only applies to closed systems, which you and I are not, and which our universe may not be.

Okay, thank you for clarifying doubts, sorry for my ignorance.

 

No need to apologize!  It's a fair statement -- the second law is pretty much as close as science gets to gospel, and I think we're still in the process of fully understanding the implications of its relationship with the evolution of increasing complexity we observe in our universe.

[CyberMisterBeauty]

 

Immortality is impossible, the reason is the second law of thermodynamics.

However, If you refer live a long time (millions of years), it is possible because not violate any law of thermodynamics, but in some moment everything must die.

 

 

[color=#ee82ee;][font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"]So,we just have to create a technology that breaks this law of physics.[/color][/font]

[StanleyAlexander]

 

 

Immortality is impossible, the reason is the second law of thermodynamics.

However, If you refer live a long time (millions of years), it is possible because not violate any law of thermodynamics, but in some moment everything must die.

 

 

[color=#ee82ee;][font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"]So,we just have to create a technology that breaks this law of physics.[/color][/font]

 

Um... not quite.  We have a long way to go before being challenged by the second law.  Let's stick with telomere extension for now.

[WithoutCoincidence]

One does not simply break a law of physics.

 

 

Instead, physics breaks you.

[Maximus]

And what makes you think the masses, billions upon billions of people will have access to this technology? In any case I'm not sure the next generations would stand for us living past our allotted lifespans and crowding an already overcrowded world.

[FutureGuy]

And what makes you think the masses, billions upon billions of people will have access to this technology? In any case I'm not sure the next generations would stand for us living past our allotted lifespans and crowding an already overcrowded world.

 

 

As technology progresses, it becomes cheaper. It's exponential. The laptop I'm using right now costed me about 3-400€, but it would've costed trilions of dollars 50 years ago. So I'm guessing that at first it will be realy expensive, but it will drop in cost over time. Also, the world is not over crowded. We're just awful at dealing with resource distribution.