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Thanks so much for reminding me of this thread.

 

I want to add by categorizing a few different ways of telepathy and the way this allows people to organize.

 

Meta-Human Observational Deduction - the most primitive, elementary form of telepathy but the most difficult to master. It stands to reason that meta-humans, being in total control of their bodies and minds, are capable of laser-focusing on the subtle subconscious actions of themselves and others they observe, and can deduce exact thoughts at a glance. In this way meta-humans can transmit and receive each others' thoughts, wordlessly, but only as long as there is some degree of effort being expended on observation.

 

Pheromones - plushumans can acquire gland implants and use them to subconsciously influence or communicate with others.

 

The Man What Hath A WiFi In His Skull - pretty self-explanatory - electronic machine-to-brain interface. Capable of transmitting and receiving thoughts electronically, possibly known colloquially as psionics or psytronics (psychic+electronic). The most ubiquitous form of mental communication.

 

Organizing a Telepathic Society

  1. Eusociality - the highest order of social organization in the animal kingdom, anyway. Pop is arranged into castes which tend to the needs of a central leader or leaders, probably not breeders like other animals though because let's be real. Might have a neofeudal vibe.
  2. Total Democracy - Pop keeps their individuality but constantly votes by having their thoughts read by machines - some agent enacts changes within the society that are most pleasing to the mean.
  3. Totalitarian Control - Pop keeps no individuality and acts under the dictatorship of a central leader, possibly a machine or egomaniac transhuman of some sort. Likely goes by "Overmind".
  4. True Hivemind - Pop keeps no individuality and is under no authority - each pop is like a neuron in a vast emergent brain, which then dictates actions on an individual level, as though a billion bodies share one mind. Likely goes by "me / I".

If I'm missing something or anyone has ideas to add, please do.


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Organizing a Telepathic Society

  1. Eusociality - the highest order of social organization in the animal kingdom, anyway. Pop is arranged into castes which tend to the needs of a central leader or leaders, probably not breeders like other animals though because let's be real. Might have a neofeudal vibe.
  2. Total Democracy - Pop keeps their individuality but constantly votes by having their thoughts read by machines - some agent enacts changes within the society that are most pleasing to the mean.
  3. Totalitarian Control - Pop keeps no individuality and acts under the dictatorship of a central leader, possibly a machine or egomaniac transhuman of some sort. Likely goes by "Overmind".
  4. True Hivemind - Pop keeps no individuality and is under no authority - each pop is like a neuron in a vast emergent brain, which then dictates actions on an individual level, as though a billion bodies share one mind. Likely goes by "me / I".

If I'm missing something or anyone has ideas to add, please do.

 

This showed me how postmodern political alignments would evolve with telepathy.

 

What I'd like to add is a compromise between all four.

 

It has no name yet, but these are the propositions:

  1. Whole society has castes, each caste serving another caste or set of castes, like a sociopolitical foodweb. Central/Leader caste needed strictly only for counterchecking all castes.
  2. All individuals are notified of all counterchecks done by the central/leader caste, regardless of which caste they belong to, like a mandatory telepathic broadcast. 
  3. Individual members of a caste are simply made aware and can vote whether or not to act at the interest of the caste as a whole, or maybe detach from the established caste to create their own.
  4. Members of a caste can choose to be fully united as one entity, and doing so will reduce their impact on votations. The leader caste must be farreaching, and a hiveminded house of representatives from all the other castes will do well as the leader.

This way, eusocial, democratic, hivemind, and totalitarian elements are refined to cross out each others' limits and disadvantages.


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As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.


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Why even have castes to begin with, though? To me the eusocial and totalitarian control options are abject in different ways - eusociality might only seem nice if you value strict hierarchy, and being a mind-controlled slave of a totalitarian overmind like the Zerg or something seems like a worst case possible. Not that either of those subjects would ever be allowed the intelligence or ability to complain. I'd consider these the "right-wing" options at least as an analogue to current politics where strong leadership and hierarchy are justified.

 

Total democracy might be nice but it also seems like it could be slow, only advancing at the rate of cultural drift, and potentially very stupid too. And even while you retain your sense of self, you have literally no privacy.

 

imo a True Hivemind is the most interesting. Not only would its emergent intelligence be a cut far above the rest but I think it would be a very interesting experience to feel a part of something so much larger than yourself. What's it feel like to be a planetary consciousness?


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Yes, progress will be stupid, but why wouldn't it be? Any civilization is just as intelligent as its leader, and the rate at which they can implement their visions, dictates the growth and evolution of that civilization. Could be slow or steady or disruptive, depending how the people willingly cooperates. And yes, privacy will be a step backwards. 

 

But what if we built a hive-minded entity, made from uploads of our own minds, and distribute the neurons of its brain across our own brains? It would be like having two versions of everybody, with the primary version being you, and the secondary version being what you might want to be, telling you how you can become it. Why not let our insights, ideas, memories, emotions, everything we think we are, be etched forever within the fabric of the universe, and let the entity holding them have control over the fabric of the universe itself?

 

If you're simply afraid of the scale of its power and knowledge over us, then give that entity no sense of agency. Let it simply be a counter-biasing algorithm, a subroutine in our minds suggesting activities, news, products, people, events we might like. Not unlike the tailor-made advertising that we enjoy today in exchange of trusting our providers with our personal data and utmost discretion.

 

At that point, what more could you ask for? That hive-mind is our hive-mind, connected to the rest of the society but separate from ourselves. Even the degree of separation can be decided by you. You can join the hive-mind and be of full-service to the community after you got tired and bored of having whatever you want fulfilled almost immediately. You can even oppose it, grow and be a god yourself, actively deny the new gods' every suggestion if you think you can think and do better.

 

But being a god should have levels, or else such a society will be just as unsustainable as any. Every god can be inspired by those above it while mentoring those beneath it such that smooth succession of power becomes an innate trait of the society. Simply put, I think I've built a perfect world for posthumans, where digital Gods exist, and you can join them, or make them join you.

 

It's the freest world I can imagine, where the only thing that separates gods and mortals alike, is choice.


As you can see, I'm a huge nerd who'd rather write about how we can become a Type V civilization instead of study for my final exams (gotta fix that).

But to put an end to this topic, might I say that the one and only greatest future achievement of humankind is when it finally becomes posthumankind.





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