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Future of Crimea


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On the Ukrainian language thing, i think the first map might be most useful since it was asking people to declare their first language. 

 

It doesn't matter if someone speaks Russian 24/7 it only matters that they think of themselves as Ukrainian and want Ukraine to remain independent from Russia. 

 

I don't think so. In modern Ukraine, this only mean people are trained to give the "politically correct" answers. Therefore we can see millions of people with Russian names speaking pure Russian but calling themselves "Ukrainians".

 

Let's see what will they say after the fall of this regime. 


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The Future of Crimea is Russian.



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Reminds me of Yuval Noah Harari's article (that I have posted before):

https://www.theguard...piens-homo-deus
 

We are repeatedly told these days that we are living in a new and frightening era of “post-truth”, and that lies and fictions are all around us. Examples are not hard to come by. Thus, in late February 2014, Russian special units bearing no army insignia invaded Ukraine and occupied key installations in Crimea. The Russian government and President Vladimir Putin in person repeatedly denied that these were Russian troops, and described them as spontaneous “self-defence groups” that may have acquired Russian-looking equipment from local shops. As they voiced this rather preposterous claim, Putin and his aides knew perfectly well that they were lying.

Russian nationalists can excuse this lie by arguing that it served a higher truth. Russia was engaged in a just war, and if it is OK to kill for a just cause, surely it is also OK to lie? The higher cause that allegedly justified the invasion of Ukraine was the preservation of the sacred Russian nation. According to Russian national myths, Russia is a sacred entity that has endured for a thousand years despite repeated attempts by vicious enemies to invade and dismember it. Following the Mongols, the Poles, the Swedes, Napoleon’s Grande Armée and Hitler’s Wehrmacht, in the 1990s it was Nato, the US and the EU that attempted to destroy Russia by detaching parts of its body and forming them into “fake countries” such as Ukraine. For many Russian nationalists, the idea that Ukraine is a separate nation from Russia constitutes a far bigger lie than anything uttered by President Putin during his holy mission to reintegrate the Russian nation.

Ukrainian citizens, outside observers and professional historians may well be outraged by this explanation, and regard it as a kind of “atom-bomb lie” in the Russian arsenal of deception.


Always good to see another side to the story, lest young and impressionable Westerners get the wrong idea.

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Yes, five years has passed... and it seems it was yesterday. This wasn't just about Crimea. This was - albeit briefly - the returning of real Russia, with all its power, truth, and beauty. Even Ukrainian military felt this, that's why they disappeared from Crimea, like dew in the sun.

 

This day will not be forgotten.

 

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For many Russian nationalists, the idea that Ukraine is a separate nation from Russia constitutes a far bigger lie than...

 

On contrary, Russian nationalists getting furious when Putin calling Russia and Ukraine "essentially one people". During these five years I never heard anyone recognizing those "raguls" a part of Russian nation.

 

Ukrainian nation does exist. The problem is such: area of this nation is much smaller than modern Ukrainian state born in 1991. At least half of modern Ukraine is historically and culturally Russian land and current regime desperately trying to erase this fact from people's memory through renaming cities, aggressive promotion of Ukrainian language and Ukrainian names, destruction of Russian monuments, and so on and so forth.

 

But sooner or later, Russia will regain what is rightfully ours. And then you will see the amazing metamorphose: "Ukraine" will wanish from there, painless and traceless, just as it happened in the Crimea. And the real Ukraine will stay a poor lanlocked country with shrinking population, exporting timber, whores, and unskilled workers.

 

PS Ukraine how it is now and how it will be (imho) by 2050:

 

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The anniversary post.

 

Five years ago, 18 March 2014, Republic of Crimea rejoined Russian Federation

 

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That's what younger (but already wise and insightful) me wrote in those historical days:

 

2014-2016 - Transitional period. Reform of Crimean financial and legal systems to bring them in line with Russians ones. Increasing of salaries and pensions up to Russian standards (i.e. they'll become 2-3 times bigger... yeah, that's why even the majority of local Ukrainians and many of Tatars voted for joining Russia)

 

after 2016 - Massive investments into Crimean tourist sector. Improving of living standards... actually, Crimea have wery good chances to become one of richest regions of Russia instead of poorest today (thanks to 23 years of Ukrainian administration). Construction of Kerch Strait Bridge (http://en.wikipedia....h_Strait_Bridge) to expand communication of Crimea with mainland Russia and make it independent from Ukraine.

 

20(?) - some future Ukrainian government will finally accept the reality and sign a new border treaty with Russia.

 

Everything turned out to be true: political reform and transition to Russian living standards, ambitious infrastructure projects: new highways, new airport in Simferopol, two new power plants, flourishing tourism sector (growth 10-15% per year). And, of course, the Kerch Strait Bridge.

 

In general, Crimean regional GDP doubled from 2013 to 2017. There is still, of course, a lot of work to be done. As well as a lot of mistakes were made during these years, which I will not recall here, in this day...



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Breaking news! US just recognized the Russian sovereignty over Crimea!

 

 

SECRETARY POMPEO: What the President did with the Golan Heights is recognize the reality on the ground and the security situation necessary for the protection of the Israeli state. It’s that – it’s that simple.
 
QUESTION: But isn’t this a violation for the Security Council resolutions?
 
SECRETARY POMPEO: No, this is – this is deeply consistent with the reality on the ground, the facts on the ground... 
America is a force for good in the region. Our intentions are noble. We want good outcomes for the people of Lebanon, for the people of Kuwait, for the people of Israel, for all nations in the Middle East, and the decision the President made will increase the opportunity for there to be stability throughout the region.
 
I think we, the Russian people, must carve these words in stone:
 
What the President Putin did in Crimea is recognize the reality on the ground and the security situation necessary for the protection of the Russian state. It’s that – it’s that simple. Again: this is deeply consistent with the reality on the ground, the facts on the ground. Russia is a force for good in the region. Our intentions are noble. We want good outcomes for the people of Ukraine, for the people of Romania, for the people of Poland, for all nations in the Eastern Europe.
 
Only the complete madman or the worst enemy of humankind will doubt or deny this. For that case, fortunately, Russia have mighty fists to explain and clarify our great truth.





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