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[November 9, 1919] Ongoing armed conflict in Europe one year after WW1 had ended
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New-York tribune. November 9, 1919, Page 26

  • In the Baltic region there is a four-cornered struggle between the Lett and Esth nationalist troops, the German-Russian monarchist force of Colonel Bermondt, and the Bolsheviki.
  • South of Petrograd the alleged anti-Gerynan forces of General Yudenich are in contact with the "red" armies.
  • On the North Russian front the troops of the anti-Bolshevik Archangel government arc still "sticking it out" in spite of the withdrawal of the British expeditionary force.
  • In Eastern Russia Kolchak's army is suffering one defeat after another at the hands of the "reds."
  • In Southern Russia, there is the volunteer army of General Denikin making war on the "reds" and the Ukrainians.
  • In Volhynia and Podolia the troops of the Ukrainian directorate, under Symon Petlura, are facing the Bolsheviki on one side, the Poles on the other.
  • Along the Dvina, the Polish-Bolshevik war continues.
  • In Silesia, there is no actual fighting, but something very much like a truce between the Poles and Germans.
  • Hungary, what with the Romanian occupation and the White Terror, with its pogroms and wholesale executions, is very much in the state of war.
  • On the Adriatic fighting may start any moment between the Italians and Jugo-Slavs, with In Albania promiscuous fighting is going on, with Italians, French, Greeks, Serbians and Albanians participating.
  • In Albania promiscuous fighting is going on, with Italians, French, Greeks, Serbians and Albanians participating.
  • In Asia Minor, the Turkish nationalist forces of Mustappa Kemal Pasha are defying the Allies.

And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.


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Wow. That sure called it correctly.  Of course, that was poor old Wilson's argument. Too bad that not enough people in the U.S. listened to him.


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^ Perhaps due to our Eurocentricism, we don't realize they were also right here:

[August 5, 1919] Republican Senators predict that next World War will be caused by Imperial Japanese Expansion in China

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I've some say that either the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1933 or the Second Sino-Japanese War of 1937 are "better" starts to World War II than the German invasion of Poland. Maybe some day, the consensus will change on that.


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I've some say that either the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1933 or the Second Sino-Japanese War of 1937 are "better" starts to World War II than the German invasion of Poland. Maybe some day, the consensus will change on that.

 

There is an opinion that future historians will just merge WWI and WWII into one war with a long truce in the middle, just like modern historians see the one single "Thirty Years' War" of 1618-1648 where contemporaries saw the complex tangle of individual wars, alliances, truces, and changing sides.



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^ Perhaps due to our Eurocentricism, we don't realize they were also right here:

[August 5, 1919] Republican Senators predict that next World War will be caused by Imperial Japanese Expansion in China

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I've some say that either the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1933 or the Second Sino-Japanese War of 1937 are "better" starts to World War II than the German invasion of Poland. Maybe some day, the consensus will change on that.

Where on this page did Republican US Senators make this prediction?



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Wow. That sure called it correctly.  Of course, that was poor old Wilson's argument. Too bad that not enough people in the U.S. listened to him.

Actually, I blame Wilson for refusing to compromise with Lodge and the Republicans. He could have probably gotten the League of Nations ratified with reservations as well as the Security Treaty with France ratified had he actually been willing to compromise with Lodge and the Republicans.



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/\ And in the long term countries like Nigeria and India will start to come fully online too only adding to the pool of world powers. Although, I have doubts India specifically can actually survive climate change and the coming energy crisis.

They'll first need to increase their average IQs to Western levels.



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November 7th, 1918

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This was almost 102 years ago. Anyone who actually witnessed this event and has actual memories of it is already already dead or will die within the next ten years. :(



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The February Revolution and Kerensky's Missed Opportunity

 

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Kerensky could have repudiated the deals made by the czarist empire and announced his willingness to accept the Reichstag formula of peace without annexations or indemnities. Perhaps the German High Command would have ignored the offer and continued fighting (as it did when the Bolsheviks offered the same terms after the October Revolution at the end of 1917). But the circumstances were far more favorable in July than they were at the end of 1917. As the Kerensky offensive demonstrated, the Russian Army, while demoralized, was still an effective fighting force, and the front line was far closer to the territory of the Central Powers. Moreover, Kerensky commanded credibility with the Western Allies that he could have used to good effect.

 

Kerensky’s determination to continue the war was a disaster. Within a few months, the armed forces were in open revolt. Lenin, who was transported across Germany in a sealed train with the High Command’s acquiescence in the hope that he would help to knock Russia out of the war, seized the opportunity. The provisional government was overthrown by the Bolsheviks in the October Revolution. This Bolshevik Revolution consigned the February Revolution to historical oblivion.

 

 

After accepting a humiliating treaty imposed by the Germans, Russia was soon embroiled in a civil war more bloody and brutal than even World War I. By its end, the Bolshevik government, launched as a workers’ democracy, was effectively a dictatorship, enabling the ascendancy of a previously obscure Bolshevik, Joseph Stalin, who would become one of the great tyrants of history. On the other side, the German High Command’s rejection of peace similarly led to defeat, national humiliation and the emergence of the 20th century’s other great tyrant, Adolf Hitler.

 

 

We cannot tell whether a positive response from Kerensky to the Reichstag peace initiative would have achieved anything. But it is hard to imagine an outcome worse than the one that actually took place. The years of pointless bloodshed that brought Russia two revolutions turned out to be merely a foretaste of the decades of totalitarianism and total war to come. Kerensky’s failure was one of the great missed opportunities of history.

 

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Troops summoned by Aleksandr Kerensky from the front to suppress an uprising in 1917.

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The Reichstag Peace Resolution called for no annexations or indemnities, right? That could be problematic considering that France, Italy, Romania, perhaps even Russia might all want a slice of Central Powers territory.



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In regards to why Wilson wasn't able to get the League of Nations going and why WWII became inevitable, a big reason is actually because of physical and mental complications arising from that time he got infected by the Spanish Flu. You can't make this up.
 

Wilson, sequestered during his recovery in the Hôtel du Prince Murat, an elegant town house in the Eighth Arrondissement, soon appeared changed by his bout with flu. He became obsessed with “funny things,” as an aide put it. He grew fixated on the furniture in the house and came to believe that he was surrounded by French spies. “We could but surmise that something queer was happening in his mind,” Irwin Hoover, the President’s chief usher, said. “One thing is certain: he was never the same after this little spell of sickness.” Hoover’s remarks are recounted by the historian John Barry in “The Great Influenza,” his magnificent narrative of the pandemic of 1918 and 1919. Barry points out that Wilson’s reported disorientation can be a complication of severe influenza.


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