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Perpetual Motion Machines: A conspiracy of Denial!

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In 1775, the Royal Academy of Sciences in Paris, made the statement that the Academy "will no longer accept or deal with proposals concerning perpetual motion."




The reasoning was that perpetual motion is impossible to achieve and that the search for it is time consuming and very expensive. According to the members of the academy, those bright minds dedicating their time and resources to this search, could be utilized much better in other, more reasonable endeavors



It doesn't matter that impractical prototypes of these machines have been around 100 years before the Academy was created or, that Nikola Telsa deemed that such a device is indeed probable and within our scientific reach,

A departure from known methods – possibility of a "self-acting" engine or machine, inanimate, yet capable, like a living being, of deriving energy from the medium – the ideal way of obtaining motive power.




The Motionless electromagnetic generator (MEG), granted a U.S. patent in 2002. [It] is most notable for claims of over-unity operation, a feat which would violate the first law of thermodynamics. Allegedly, the device can eventually sustain its operation in addition to powering a load without application of external electrical power, by extraction of vacuum energy from the immediate environment.



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What do members think of the possibility of the existence of these machines and powerful corporations hurting their funding opportunities :cool: Such as the oil industry and electric industry?
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A perpetual motion machine is complete fiction. It will never happen - not in a billion years. Not ever.

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So what do you call all of those devices?Fakes?
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You have got to be fucking kidding me. Perpetual motion machines outright break the first and second laws of thermodynamics. They are physically impossible. This has got to be the stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. jjf3, you have anti-establishment syndrome. Because you're a contrarian, whenever something is powerful, you are automatically paranoid of it. You will disregard all logic so you can oppose it. Conspiracy theories are false. Not a single one of them is true. Please enter the real world. Your assertion that corporations are in a conspiracy to stop the construction of perpetual motion machines is by far the stupidest thing you've said on this forum, and that's REALLY saying something. Just stop. You're making a fool out of yourself.

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I have to agree
Perpetual Motion Machines


are bolloks

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So what do you call all of those devices?Fakes?


Fakes. Yes.
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I must agree, I just thought it was weird that scientists by law couldn't study or try to make one. It's like saying you can't make an antigravity device or a time machine because its impossible to do so.
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I must agree, I just thought it was weird that scientists by law couldn't study or try to make one. It's like saying you can't make an antigravity device or a time machine because its impossible to do so.

What the hell are you talking about? It's not illegal to study this stuff. Look at what you read before you interpret it into something it's not. Stop WANTING to believe in conspiracy theories, no matter how ridiculous they are (which is the ONLY reason you do believe in them).

It says the science academy will no longer accept proposals of perpetual motion machines. Think. Just think for a second. There is nothing suspicious about this. If you still don't get it I'll spoon feed it to you: Perpetual motion BREAK THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND SO CANNOT EXIST. If they're getting proposals of them, then it's just wasting their time.

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So does time machines and anti-gravity, but people on here think they might exist sometime in the future. If things don't have patents them then they are not protected by the government which means they likely won't get any funding. You never think about what might happen in the future do you? If humanity is supposed to evolve into hybrids then AIs and then sentient beings sometime in the future. Why is Perpetual Motion Machines any more crazy?
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So does time machines and anti-gravity, but people on here think they might exist sometime in the future. If things don't have patents them then they are not protected by the government which means they likely won't get any funding. You never think about what might happen in the future do you? If humanity is supposed to evolve into hybrids then AIs and then sentient beings sometime in the future. Why is Perpetual Motion Machines any more crazy?

Because time machines don't break the laws of physics (as we understand them). "Anti-Gravity" means a lot of different things, but most of the time they too do not break the laws of physics (again, as we understand them).

Perpetual motion clearly does break the laws of physics. It breaks the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. Tell me jjf3, is are science academies conspiratorially suppressing my repeated proof of a Euclidean triange with TWO right angles?

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Why is Perpetual Motion Machines any more crazy?

Because they are scientifically impossible.

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Read Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku, he does a great job of explaining why.

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It's actually known that a time machine might break the laws of physics not to mention all of the moral implications it brings. You could step on a plant and destroy the whole world. If that's not breaking the laws of physics and how the universe is apparently supposed to unfold i don't know what is! Some Anti-gravity aspects do appear close to breaking the laws of physics, but because people are finding new ways to do this it's obviously possible. The laws of physics will be updated through newer and newer discoveries. As we learn more and more about our world and our universe there are forces out there that we can't understand and are studying right now. I am open to the fact that anything could be possible with technology. And geometry was never my strong suit so i didn't understand your last sentence! Shoot me in the head OMG I don't know Geometry!!!!
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It's actually known that a time machine might break the laws of physics not to mention all of the moral implications it brings. You could step on a plant and destroy the whole world. If that's not breaking the laws of physics and how the universe is apparently supposed to unfold i don't know what is!

Some Anti-gravity aspects do appear close to breaking the laws of physics, but because people are finding new ways to do this it's obviously possible.

The laws of physics will be updated through newer and newer discoveries. As we learn more and more about our world and our universe there are forces out there that we can't understand and are studying right now. I am open to the fact that anything could be possible with technology.

And geometry was never my strong suit so i didn't understand your last sentence! Shoot me in the head OMG I don't know Geometry!!!!

No, stop pissing me off with your ignorance. If you're actually interested in this stuff, then look it up. Don't make things up in your head and assume they're true. I don't know how many times I have told you this. I'll say it again, but in red: Stop making things up and assuming they're true.

Time machines don't break the laws of physics. There are certain logical paradoxes to them. But time travel itself does not break the laws of physics. By laws of physics I mean the actual laws of physics. I mean equations. You seem to think that they're philosophical thought experiments. They're not. Time travel does not violate any equations that we know of. Therefore they remain a slim possibility.

Anti-gravity is mostly a pop culture term so stop bringing it up. It may or may not break the laws of physics (again, these are equations, not thought experiments) depending on what definition of "anti-gravity" you're using.

Perpetual motion does break the laws of physics. It breaks these equations. It outright bypasses and therefore violates the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. If you don't know what these are, I urge you to look them up.

One more time: STOP MAKING THINGS UP AND ASSUMING THEY'RE TRUE. IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF THEN READ UP ON IT.

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I don't know why I am pissing you off so much, maybe if you were a little bit more open minded to what could possibly happen in the future. if humans are meant to build vast worlds that have infinite space and resources, it's not that science fiction to believe they can create energy out of nothing. Where could the big bang possibly have come from then? Currently the answer is...Something out of pretty much nothing. That's a force we don't understand at the moment.
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I don't know why I am pissing you off so much, maybe if you were a little bit more open minded to what could possibly happen in the future. if humans are meant to build vast worlds that have infinite space and resources, it's not that science fiction to believe they can create energy out of nothing.

Where could the big bang possibly have come from then? Currently the answer is...Something out of pretty much nothing. That's a force we don't understand at the moment.

I'm speechless.

Have fun in your fantasy world where facts mean nothing.

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Well currently there are no facts as to how the Big Bang came into being so i think your speechless because you cannot possibly answer the question.
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Simplest way to expain it.

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  • In any closed system, you cannot create new energy (first law of thermodynamics)
  • You always lose a little energy (second law of thermodynamics)
  • Therefore a machine cannot make more energy than it uses or even enough to keep itself operating


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I saw a fascinating documentary on the topic. Basically it shows the length these people will go to try to prove they work. Some of them are quite elaborate. Though, they probably only work while the camera's on. The fundamental aspect of them just don't work, and are a sham just the same as the cure-all tonics of the past.
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Yea a lot of the so-called "free energy devices" are easily botched. I saw one for sale on Ebay one time :laugh:
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