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Perpetual Motion Machines: A conspiracy of Denial!

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Think about it this way...... One can use this 'perputal machine' and sell energy at a lower cost and keep the device hidden and make $$$ in profits. THe fact that people are lloking past fossil fuels and no working models have been demonstrated will tell me that these have not been developed means that these cannot exist.

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Well all the other ways to solve global warming besides for drastically taxing and cutting carbon dioxide is a bit science fiction as well.
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There are ways to stop global warming without endorsing fullblown socialism or heavy taxes. As hobbyist inventor there are many ways. We cut carbon emissions as we progress as there are efficent alternatives to oil in some sectors already. 1) Replacing jet-fuel with liquid hydro-and oxygen. The cost per Kg is 4x more than a jet fuel one at 3x the speed. 2) A combination of non fossil fuel generators. 3) Non fossil fuel cars. 4) Now just an alternative to asphalt, tires, plastic.

What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short-sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty. -Hans Hermann Hoppe


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I don't want to turn this into another global warming thread, so I'll just say good points!
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I don't want to turn this into another global warming thread, so I'll just say good points!



Same, I don't endorse Global Warming. I'm just saying 'if' (<0.01%) the IPCC is correct.

What is true, just, and beautiful is not determined by popular vote. The masses everywhere are ignorant, short-sighted, motivated by envy, and easy to fool. Democratic politicians must appeal to these masses in order to be elected. Whoever is the best demagogue will win. Almost by necessity, then, democracy will lead to the perversion of truth, justice and beauty. -Hans Hermann Hoppe


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My jaw just dropped staring at the stupidity. Saying that a perpetual motion machine could be made, is like saying that someone could create machine that climbs along the bottom of the earth, because despite all we know, the earth could actually be flat! The laws of thermodynamics have been around for centuries, and there is no way that they are wrong, and same with global warming.

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My jaw just dropped staring at the stupidity.

Saying that a perpetual motion machine could be made, is like saying that someone could create machine that climbs along the bottom of the earth, because despite all we know, the earth could actually be flat! The laws of thermodynamics have been around for centuries, and there is no way that they are wrong, and same with global warming.

You're wasting your breath.

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If it's so stupid then explain the paradox of the universe. As far as we know the universe will stop one day and then everything will fall apart and get destroyed and reality will cease to exist. If the universe disappears completely than the cycle will end destroying energy yes?
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If it's so stupid then explain the paradox of the universe. As far as we know the universe will stop one day and then everything will fall apart and get destroyed and reality will cease to exist. If the universe disappears completely than the cycle will end destroying energy yes?

No.

Google "heat death of the universe."

Doesn't matter. This is completely irrelevant to feasible perpetual machines and especially your belief that there's a conspiracy against building them. My God I can't believe I just said that in the 21st century.

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Okay but that's one theory of the universe, if the universe is expanding exponentially or indeed speeding up as some recent theories suggest would it be so wrong to call the universe itself a perpetual motion machine? And if some of the visions of the future people have on here where we use AI machines and our free time to answer all the mysteries in the world, would the next step fall into the realm of impossibilities or "magic" as in breaking the laws of physics. If humans do indeed figure out everything there is to figure out, than I would think the Perpetual Motion machine and Doctor Who's magic time lord box would be the only remaining mysteries left to solve in the universe. In this type of future, I wouldn't underestimate our ancestors. As humans we have built in curiosities about the world and the universe. Our questions, inventions, and wonder will never cease to exist. There is always another mystery to solve, another impossibility to make possible. Another law to discover, and another law to break. I believe one day we will make all impossibilities today become possible with exponential progress in technology.
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Okay but that's one theory of the universe, if the universe is expanding exponentially or indeed speeding up as some recent theories suggest would it be so wrong to call the universe itself a perpetual motion machine?

And if some of the visions of the future people have on here where we use AI machines and our free time to answer all the mysteries in the world, would the next step fall into the realm of impossibilities or "magic" as in breaking the laws of physics. If humans do indeed figure out everything there is to figure out, than I would think the Perpetual Motion machine and Doctor Who's magic time lord box would be the only remaining mysteries left to solve in the universe. In this type of future, I wouldn't underestimate our ancestors. As humans we have built in curiosities about the world and the universe. Our questions, inventions, and wonder will never cease to exist. There is always another mystery to solve, another impossibility to make possible. Another law to discover, and another law to break. I believe one day we will make all impossibilities today become possible with exponential progress in technology.

How can you think that we'll break natural laws.

How can you possibly think that.

How can you possibly think the idea of science academies not allowing what you admit is "impossbile" a conspiracy.

My God how do you fare in real life.

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If we answer every single type of available question in the universe then what???
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If we answer every single type of available question in the universe then what???

lol you just answered your own question. We answered every available question. That means there's no more questions.

You got too much cognitive dissonance boy.

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Maybe so. I am just trying to wrap my head around an exponentially expanding technological future, where anything could be possible. Sorry if I have too many questions about this stuff!!!
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Maybe so. I am just trying to wrap my head around an exponentially expanding technological future, where anything could be possible. Sorry if I have too many questions about this stuff!!!

lol there is a limit. Bunnies don't keep reproducing until their mass is the same as the sun.

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You might be right. No one knows for sure. I can make a comment about bunnies and my moms garden but I should stop in the fact that it could be too off topic lolz.


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jjf3 impressed me once again.
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i usually skipped reading At jjf3's comments. its just annoyingly stupid. sorry.

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I don't understand why people feel it's OK to be so rude about this stuff. How are people supposed to learn if they get verbally assaulted every time they ask a question? Antigravity and (to a lesser extent) some form of non-linear "time travel" seem at least marginally feasible as they deal with areas of physics where we know we're still ignorant. But there's a really good body of theoretical and practical knowledge regarding entropy. In particular, there has never been even a hint of possible holes in our understanding of thermodynamics -- literally, the movement of heat energy. The nice thing about the three laws of thermodynamics -- beyond being about the closest things to actual *laws* in physics is that they're easily comprehensible at the layman's level: 1. "You can't win." There's no way to get more than 100% efficiency from any work-producing closed system. 2. "You can't break even." In fact, you can never even get 100% efficiency from any work-producing closed system -- some energy is inevitably lost as waste heat. (This Second Law is why we're able to speak with some confidence about the "heat death of the universe.") 3. "You can't get out of the game." The Third Law basically provides the evidence that there's no way around the First or Second Laws by playing games with shifting system levels. There are ways to take advantage of planetary-scale phenomena as power sources. Hydrothermal, wind, tides, and even planetary rotation can be used to directly provide heating or induce a current for some amount of electrical power generation. But at that point you're declaring "the system" to be the planet... and eventually even it will cool off, stop rotating, and be engulfed by a swollen Sun. There is no beating the First Law. It doesn't hurt to ask, but it's also good to know when it's safe to take "yes" for an answer. :)

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^^ Well said. Now I wonder what the multiverse does with perpetual motion.

http://en.wikipedia....timate_Ensemble

Anyone have a firm enough grasp on this subject to know if perpetual motion is possible in a universe with different laws of physics?
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