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Humanity in the year 2587.


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With such a leap in the future anything we see as "magical" will be science. The same way a car would be some kind of carriage magically advancing forward for people who lived 500 years ago. 

 

Colonization of the solar system will be complete or almost. With lots of space stations and colonies into the deep corners of our solar system.

 

At least a few probes in our neighboring stars, perhaps discover some form of life, not necessarily intelligent.

 

A completed unification of all the forces of nature (ToE) allowing us to understand the most complex aspect of the universe our modern minds cannot even begin to fathom.

 

A desktop computer will be equivalent to a conscious mind. Allowing you to have conversations with it and have access to education in the comfort of home. The concept of public schools being a thing of history.

 

The capacity to upload your mind inside your computer and add new knowledge (files) inside it. Not complex mathematics and sciences, more something like "were is that place" and "how to cook that" or "how to get girls to sleep with me".

 

Androids workers walking around earth and its colonies performing the tasks humans want nothing to do with such as toilet cleaner at mcdo or cashier at wal mart.

 

People will have access many kind of exoskeleton giving them much more strength to perform physically exhaustive tasks.

 

Humans will have so many implants inside them to the point that calling ourselves cyborg would be more accurate. Living 250 years and beyond.

 

Antimatter spaceships will be in use.

 

and........

 

 

 

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I kind of doubt that he's serious.


Sadly, it's more likely than you might think.

 

Thankfully, they are only a very small minority.


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My thinking is very much in line with your own. I agree that space colonisation is more likely to be centred around asteroid and space-habitat colonisation rather than on planets, even if Mars is the first place that we colonise. I also agree that without FTL travel, extrasolar colonies will be designed from the beginning to be independent civilisations.

I think that Earth will be the largest human population for a very long time though. I think that in 500 years, the population living in space might well number in the hundreds of millions, possibly more, but by a large ratio, Earth will still hold the majority of humans. That's not to say though that I think the Earth will be the economic or industrial centre of mankind by then. I think that industry will move increasingly into space after it becomes viable, and by the middle of the millennia, Earth will be the place that humans live, while production and work will be done autonomously off the planet and outside of gravity wells.

 

Or maybe Earth will be a completely polluted and ravaged craphole by then, with all the rich and well off people living in space and the destitute left on Earth.



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My thinking is very much in line with your own. I agree that space colonisation is more likely to be centred around asteroid and space-habitat colonisation rather than on planets, even if Mars is the first place that we colonise. I also agree that without FTL travel, extrasolar colonies will be designed from the beginning to be independent civilisations.

I think that Earth will be the largest human population for a very long time though. I think that in 500 years, the population living in space might well number in the hundreds of millions, possibly more, but by a large ratio, Earth will still hold the majority of humans. That's not to say though that I think the Earth will be the economic or industrial centre of mankind by then. I think that industry will move increasingly into space after it becomes viable, and by the middle of the millennia, Earth will be the place that humans live, while production and work will be done autonomously off the planet and outside of gravity wells.

 

Or maybe Earth will be a completely polluted and ravaged craphole by then, with all the rich and well off people living in space and the destitute left on Earth.

 

I seriously doubt that unless the free world loses WWIII. Again as quoted from my future canon, Earth will be revitalized during the "Resurrection" era in around the mid to late 2200's and for the coming millenniums home to many people of different subjects and aliens if by found by then. Colonization, expansion, and world building  of interstellar space might be a bit optimistic, but I'm betting on around the 3100's for my large enough "empire".


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As I said before, I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't have an interstellar empire by at most 2800. Or at least we will have not only colonized but effectively settled our own solar system.



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My thinking is very much in line with your own. I agree that space colonisation is more likely to be centred around asteroid and space-habitat colonisation rather than on planets, even if Mars is the first place that we colonise. I also agree that without FTL travel, extrasolar colonies will be designed from the beginning to be independent civilisations.

I think that Earth will be the largest human population for a very long time though. I think that in 500 years, the population living in space might well number in the hundreds of millions, possibly more, but by a large ratio, Earth will still hold the majority of humans. That's not to say though that I think the Earth will be the economic or industrial centre of mankind by then. I think that industry will move increasingly into space after it becomes viable, and by the middle of the millennia, Earth will be the place that humans live, while production and work will be done autonomously off the planet and outside of gravity wells.

 

Or maybe Earth will be a completely polluted and ravaged craphole by then, with all the rich and well off people living in space and the destitute left on Earth.

 

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I kind of doubt that he's serious.


Sadly, it's more likely than you might think.

 

 

I wouldn't be so worried as the guy can't even make a decent website. Atleast use CSS dammit.



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I kind of doubt that he's serious.


Sadly, it's more likely than you might think.

 

 

I wouldn't be so worried as the guy can't even make a decent website. Atleast use CSS dammit.

 

Well, from what I hear, it's not as bad as the time cube site.



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I kind of doubt that he's serious.


Sadly, it's more likely than you might think.

 

 

I wouldn't be so worried as the guy can't even make a decent website. Atleast use CSS dammit.

 

Well, from what I hear, it's not as bad as the time cube site.

 

 

http://www.timecube.com/

 

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IMO in 2587

Earth and the moon will be full of orbital infrastructure:space elevators, orbital docks and cities, weather control facilities, quantum comm relays, etc.

 

Earth , while having taken quite a beating, most enviroment has been completely restored, weather is comparable to preindustrial times, all species that went extinct after the pleistocene have been ressurected

Humanity will have either of these 2 forms of government: libertarian free market oligarchy of insatiable AI and genetically  augmented family lines traceable from the 1900s who own 50% of all wealth and 80% of all means of production, a post-scarcity subtely exploited middle class, and at the bottom a poverty strickenproletariat deamed worthless for exploitation and left to live a horrible existence.

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A socialist disciplined democracy using a massive AI managed centrally managed economy of equally augmented humans who while not going to full augmentation potential don't have any social or intellectual disadvantages, and are incorruptable by any natural desires such as greed, lust, etc.

 

Primary source of power is wirelessly transmittable fusion energy through a roughly 20-25% completed dyson sphere, as well as household thorium reactors+ green energy.

 

Each household is completely independent from  external supply being able to make unlimited amount of energy, as well as replicating water and food.

 

Food is either replicated or organically grown(it has become extremely easy for everyone by now). GMOs are extinct.

 

There is a quick and accessible treatment for every possible medical condition, no matter how severe for those who chose not to have permanent medical nanobot implants.

 

All humans can communicate telepathically, mind merge with AI without needing cybernetics, and can choose to change all their looks, character traits, gender, race and sexuality.

 

Mars has been colonised but failed to be terraformed due to being just too small and far away, Venus on the other hand has been a much more promising case, terraforming efforts are on going, by now the poisonous athmosphere has been greatly thinned to habitable temperatures and magnetic field is being developed.

 

All planets and moons in the solar system have been thoroughly explored and colonised, primitive life has been observed in the underglacial sea on Europa

 

Primitive versions of the alcubierre drive are in service and humanity has explored all star systems in 25 ly radius by now.

 

No fully habitable exoplanets as of yet discovered but some have been partially colonised.

 

The main weapon is the railgun as well  turbolasers and ion plasma cannons.

There are carbon nanotube and electromagnetic energy shields



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Ok in the 26th century lets see... can I build up to it? I'll build up to it, and yo can just take it :p

 

21st century

 

Here we see the developement of FIVR, VR and AR taking full swing allowing humanity to immerse itself in a world of its creation, albeit simulated.

 

Places like Sweden where socialist reforms have taken place lead the planet in research, development and eventully give up currency altogether by achieving some form of food and energy post scarcity. It also survives the rising sea levels of the era mostly unscathed and seems perpetually immune to any and all economic problems. Eventually, their example is noticed and the world finally gets sense knocked into the creatures that live on the crust of earth.

 

Wireless energy transfer is also coming along and 3D printing continues to take the world by storm and promote self sufficiency.

 

Coal power has eventually been decreased due to increased environmental activism

 

The first man to walk on mars undergoes the mars-one selection trials as we speak and will eventually live on the surface for the rest of his or her life, father children and die far away  from the troubles of earth.

 

Solar roads are employed in america and rapidly adopted by the rest of the globe. 80 % of households in developed countries have solar panels and if possible, rain water tanks.

 

human lifespan increases by 50%

 

22nd century

 

the first fusion reactors come online, powering countless industries and since it isnt generally needed in developed nations for households, are invested into by places like east timor, giving power to people in poverty and allowing them to see at night. This enables many people to connect to the internet for the first time as by now it has been made available to everyone. Soon post poverty is within sight.

 

AI and automation plays critical roles in the jobs we wont do anymore, though androids dont do the work, robots more suited to the tasks are developed, decreasing the need for creepy walking hunks of metal to be walking around. However, there are places for androids in the 22nd century, particulary for perverts who always wonder what its like to have sex with a robot. But most importantly, humanity is now able to focus its attention on research and development, art and culture. Soon every place on earth is more beautiful than the last.

 

Mind uploading comes into play in the 22nd century, but not as most people hope. The neurons of millions of people are mapped in order to custom fit bioorganic chips designed to allow AR, but seen through the mind and giving humanity access to information on any topic imaginable. This allows telepathy, controll of swarms of robots to create all kinds of tools seemingly out of thin air thanks to advances in nanotechnology and swarm robotics. This eliminates the need for education but many are wary of it as it causes issues with privacy.

 

With improvements to space travel, the colony on mars is growing and now has ready access to the internet with no lag thanks to quantum communication arrays. Power is also distributed in this way.

 

Post scarcity is acieved in some form with everyone getting what they need to live successful and happy lives

 

Technology is now modular with components being removable and replacable, allowing for countless upgrades and variations. Our individual personalities flourish.

 

Human cloning and gene modification is achieved early on, however, due to humanitarian concerns it doesnt go into  ready use. Not yet anyway.

 

23rd century

 

Fusion power is wide spread

 

A miracle discvery is made into warp technology thus removing travel times between the cosmos. Scientific expeditions to other solar systems are underway with manned missions soon following.

 

Humanity has now mastered the transfer of humans into other bodies, thus allowing people to choose exactly how they look and their physiccal characteristics before discarding their old body now 200 - 300 years old in favour of a new one. Upgrades are also available to sight, strength and speed allowing everyone to achieve their full potential in all physical areas. The need to workout to maintain their physial condition is rendered unneeded as well thanks to nanotechnology working to continuously cure disease and always updae and improve the persons body as long as they have it. Mind uploading soon becomes available but not many take to it because they can already do everything someone who lives in a computer can do from the comfort of their custom designed bodies retrofitted with all the latest upgrades

 

The moons of various planets in the solar system are colonised and the asteroid belt is mined for all the resources we need

 

24th century

 

Why have one body when you can have 2? Mind uploading an custom body design comes to a new level as scientists learn to allow someone to control two bodies at once thanks to advancements in the field of quantum mechanics. now someone can be in two places at once and if they so choose, have sex with themselves on a regular basis. this also opens the door for people to use the resources of two transhuman bodies to achieve greater and heightened intelligence as te resources are shared via their own personal 'mindcloud'

 

robots as we know them are now obsolete as nanotechnology and swarm mechanics take over. Everything useful is simply 'eaten' and neatly deposited where it is needed by our good friend, the mining fog or whatever we call it.

 

Improvements to biology and implants allow people to generate a comfortable and breathable atmosphere around themselves indefinitely, allowing people to float unharmed in space, or fly through a gas giant. Flight is also achievable. Shapeshifting is common among society as we mold ourselves to the task at hand but always being able to return to our former 'form'. The need to eat or drink is eliminated as long as some form of matter is readily availablefor the body to absorb and then convert into the needed nutrient

 

the need for strong AI is never realised as humanity becomes the AI or more commonly prased, RI's or real intelligences. We lose the name human eventually for we have surpassed that without the need for sticking ourselves into machines and become master manipulators of the world around us

 

Several solar systems have now been colonised with spaceships no longer necessary as the human body can now utilise its own internal alcubierre drive to go anywhere in the universe. We become nomadic wanderers of the cosmos where our every need is adressed already and our only concerns are personal pleasure and knowledge. However, this free spiritedness is used by some of us to oppress other species while others help alien species. We are essentially gods who share all knowledge, abilities and seemingly limitless power with no other human or group of humans ever being able to control the other without there being a will to be controlled first.

 

25th century

 

Humanity surpasses all limitations it previously had, able to do whatever it pleases in however way it pleases. The universe becomes our playground and the objects within it our toys. And as we all do when we have power, revel in it and always seek to expand it. Knowledge is passively accrued.

 

The boundaries between worlds can no longer hold us and our influence grows to encompass multiple worlds with all humans able to find any other. We amuse ourselves with everything we find and mold it to our wills with sheer all encompasing power. We truly become gods in all ways, masters of all things.

 

26th century

 

We gain the ability to create new worlds, not fakeries or simulations, but real actual worlds. though what we would do with our power at this point I couldn't say.

 

 

 

 

 

Sure I may be drastically not following any timeline of sorts here and not be showing any references, but one thing we must never forget is that technology is exponential.

 

And common, we all know we'll eventually end up like gods anyway. I just brought that notion to the forefront.

 

Now yo unerstand why I built up to this rather than just saying what I think will happen in the  26th cantury.

 

Let me know what you think


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^That's a pretty fast buildup to, what, a Type IV Civilization.



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^That's a pretty fast buildup to, what, a Type IV Civilization.

 

Type 5. Hey, gotta love exponentiality :D


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My thinking is very much in line with your own. I agree that space colonisation is more likely to be centred around asteroid and space-habitat colonisation rather than on planets, even if Mars is the first place that we colonise. I also agree that without FTL travel, extrasolar colonies will be designed from the beginning to be independent civilisations.

I think that Earth will be the largest human population for a very long time though. I think that in 500 years, the population living in space might well number in the hundreds of millions, possibly more, but by a large ratio, Earth will still hold the majority of humans. That's not to say though that I think the Earth will be the economic or industrial centre of mankind by then. I think that industry will move increasingly into space after it becomes viable, and by the middle of the millennia, Earth will be the place that humans live, while production and work will be done autonomously off the planet and outside of gravity wells.

 

 

My reasoning for the shift in human population is 2 fold. First if the money is in space humans will follow. Even if much of the work is automated there will continue be a need for human supervision and maintenance. It is likely that not only will many resources be easier to come by but method of manufacture that are made possible by hard vacuum and microgravity creating a whole new industrial revolution. Second I believe once we are firmly established in space we will be able to control the environments, especially for free floating habitats that we will be able to create living space more comfortable than anywhere on Earth. At first many will prefer to stay on Earth but in later generations they will be increasing viewed as old fashioned. By 500 years from now would mostly be those who never adopted advance technology or seeking haven from it.


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I believe that within 200 years the idea of hollowing out an asteroid to live in will be looked on a bit like a log cabin. With new materials being developed and construction in zero G will allow for construction on a scale never before possible. Though I do not think the structure will look like the huge empty tubes with massive transparent walls that are often depicted I believe many will provide large public open spaces that appear very earthlike. It is also likely that there would have locations with view more impressive than anywhere on Earth.

 

As for workers in space, by the 26th century robotic will likely be to a point that many remote operation like mining are handled without human supervision. By that time I believe that the shift in population will have happened already. As we begin to develop the resources in space robotics will not yet be to the point where it is adaptable as a human. Humans will be able to accomplish some tasks that cannot yet be automated in a cost effective manner. At first machines for space industries will be expensive and the cost of having a human available for constant maintenance and supervision will be relatively cheap. I also believe that there will be continuing value of humans going forward for our greatest trait, adaptability. If our physical traits do not meet the demands we will almost surely augment ourselves.

 

On the supervision issue, by the 26th century the work would likely be progressing to the outer solar system and beyond. Remote supervision from Earth would likely involve an hour or more of delay and the risking of losing all contact with the robotic workers. Though the human supervisor may not be directly on site they will likely be within a few light seconds of the work location. Even if FTL communication does exist it will likely be less expensive to have a human on site than have a permanent FTL uplink. 


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I believe that within 200 years the idea of hollowing out an asteroid to live in will be looked on a bit like a log cabin. With new materials being developed and construction in zero G will allow for construction on a scale never before possible. Though I do not think the structure will look like the huge empty tubes with massive transparent walls that are often depicted I believe many will provide large public open spaces that appear very earthlike. It is also likely that there would have locations with view more impressive than anywhere on Earth.

Wouldn't such a structure be so huge that one would have to use substantial portions of a planet to build one? If that's the case, I think terraforming the worlds would be an easier option.



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Solar roads are employed in america and rapidly adopted by the rest of the globe. 80 % of households in developed countries have solar panels and if possible, rain water tanks.

 

 

 But they have been mostly put down as a feel good myth. People only wasted money on a feel good idea.  Also solar road ways is most likely going to cause more pollution then help in the scale it it was going to be used. 



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I believe that within 200 years the idea of hollowing out an asteroid to live in will be looked on a bit like a log cabin. With new materials being developed and construction in zero G will allow for construction on a scale never before possible. Though I do not think the structure will look like the huge empty tubes with massive transparent walls that are often depicted I believe many will provide large public open spaces that appear very earthlike. It is also likely that there would have locations with view more impressive than anywhere on Earth.

Wouldn't such a structure be so huge that one would have to use substantial portions of a planet to build one? If that's the case, I think terraforming the worlds would be an easier option.

 

 

Structures built in zero G do not need to be anywhere near as massive as ones built in gravity wells. Also advanced materials such as carbon fiber to use just one example could greatly reduce the mass required to provide the same strength. It is likely that using engineering technology developed over the coming century a space station of the same mass as the ISS would have 10 times or more the usable volume. It is likely a small orbital city could be built that would be equal in mass to one of the tallest buildings currently standing. Compared to this terraforming is 'astronomically' more difficult expensive and time consuming. In fact to terraform a would may likely require the building to structures in space on the scale I am suggesting.


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There are four things I believe will drive the population shift to space. Note I say shift and not move as a majority of the change would not involve actual movement of the population. The first part would be emigration from Earth. This would be at least equal to the emigration of Europeans to the new world. From Europe alone in the first 300 years over 60,000,000 emigrated to the new world. This was only counting Europe that was controlling most of the access to the new world and was at a time that the world population was less than 2 billion. As it is likely that the human population could likely reach 10 billion by the end of this century it is likely that over the next 300 year 1-2 billion will emigrate to space.

 

Second throughout the world birthrates are falling and are expected to be below 2 children per couple by the end of the century. Over the centuries this will lead to a progressively smaller population on Earth. Large families could gain the status of of social stigma for various reasons accelerating the trend.

 

In space it is likely large families would be encouraged to grow colonies. Technological advancements could allow a colony to grow as fast as they could build, and similar advances would allow them to grow very fast. For the colonies not on a planetary body territory would be no issue only building materials would be and if you have the larger productive population, you would be able to acquire the building materials.

 

Once the wealth, and opportunity moves to space the best and brightest will follow. A majority of the population of the Earth will consist of property owner who has a stake on Earth, people who refuse to join the space age and those who for whatever reason are unable to go to space.

 

As for industry in space the image of instant automation that many have I believe excessively hopeful. I do believe robotics will be involved in most of the work but as I keep saying remote telemetry from more than a couple of light seconds away is impractical and inefficient. At least one human would be 'onsite' on most operations to monitor activity and to take direct control of the equipment. As for the number of humans involved in mining operations I think it will be more that you think. Many of the larger asteroids would require a mining operation as large as any on Earth. Granted much of this operation would be automated but you would likely need as many supervisors at an asteroid mine as you would on Earth. Each human stationed at the mine would most likely supervise on a shift basis between 5 and 20 robots depending on the complexity of the function and some operation may use hundreds if not thousands of robots. If normal 3 shift days are used this would work out to about 1 human for every 4 robots. Also as the robots would be of limited functionality to limit the overall cost of the operation other humans would be available to provide support in a variety of roles. There would also be supervisors for the crew themselves. Looking at it this way it is not unreasonable to expect such a mining operation to require at least 30 humans for every 100 robots. If this seems excessive remember that if a robot's output were equal to what a man could do in an hour each robot would be equal to at least 3 human workers and a single robots output would most likely be much greater than that.

 

The same type of formula would work for manufacturing operation. In R&D it is unlikely automation will reduce the manpower required significantly and there will be great demand for R&D workers in space. The service industry will be alive and well in space. Any space tourist will be expecting friendly human faces to greet them when they arrive and not robot will satisfy most of them.

 

I can also imagine that some that go to space will want to live with a minimum of automation, especially ones that choose to live on the Moon or Mars. The may prefer to 'live off the land' as it were. They may be a source of large growth in population as they will likely want very large families to let them build large colonies by the sweat of their brow.


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In 2587 humanity has only gotten a few wormhole gateways opened and FTL travel like single ringed and mid-early ringless warp drives are more reasonable for interplanetary travel. Advances to regular engines like INA's (ion, nuclear, antimatter) are still being made and all other forms like sails and gravity assisted are obsolete. Expansion would be of almost the whole Solar system and at least 100ly worth of star systems (with many complex life found, but no sentient ones yet). And of course, technology is even more advanced in all subjects, with new warp dives, wormhole gateways, and widespread use of space tech like terraforming or Caeluses (S. Caelus, space habitats) for example. Robots have been basically living things and a species for a while now but have not had many changes. 


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