Ah - my bad, I misunderstood then. I actually do agree that we will put it in charge of more and more tasks of that sort, yes. The way you word it seemed more like it would seek to take control.Yuli Ban wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:22 am"Softly wresting control" is an idea I've had for several years now, best summed up as "if AI ever takes over, it'll be because we let it." We'll put it in charge of more and more executive and administrative tasks, relying on it for advice and suggestions until, before we know it, we've all but replaced society with AI. It'll be a runaway cycle of replacing human cognitive tasks with AGI driven by the same market forces that the most vehement luddites will purport to worship.
I still disagree with one thing though - even if we give it control of such things, it'll still be used to prop up politicians and leaders that we no longer need. Many of the people it could replace, won't be replaced, because they'll be put in charge of what it is or isn't allowed to do. They'll argue we still need them in power, and because they hold power they will remain in power. Not indefinitely, but for possibly many, many decades longer than they should. If China creates an AGI today, Xi Jinping will still remain in power in China until he chooses to retire or dies for whatever reason. Heck, whoever he chooses to replace him is likely to remain in control of China for decades after. Even if such leaders are no longer needed thanks to AGI, they'll remain still.
Same in capitalism. Even though AGI could render a future where it makes more sense to move on away from capitalism, it's not going away this century probably. Or at least, it's very possible that the billionaires prevent us from moving on.
Yes and no I feel. I still think we'll be in a human-dominant society, since the AGI will be owned by humans using it to keep them in power in whatever way they prefer. Or at least, they will try to.Capitalism irrationally seeks efficiency and profit at all other costs. The moment it becomes more profitable to automate executive tasks, they WILL be automated. At which point the pin has been pulled and human-dominant society only has a limited amount of time left before the AI grenade explodes everything.
Just want to note that I'm not like many online who refuse to believe that this can bring positive change for the masses, just that I don't believe it will do so all by itself just by existing. I believe that we'll have to fight and work for a better future, one where AGI can bring us all these benefits that it'll make possible.
I think this might be where we differ a lot. I don't think it really matters much what order it takes away jobs in, because the problem lies in those who don't really have jobs anyways - the multibillionaire shareholder class who just owns companies and corporations. They don't really work anyways, AGI can't replace them, and those are the people we most need it to replace. How does AGI takeover from them? They're the ones who will own the AGI and decide how it is used.And I'd be inclined to believe that a soft AI takeover would be thwarted if automation progressed the way it was "supposed to," that is taking physical repetitive jobs, then higher skill jobs, then white collar and cognitive-heavy jobs before eventually automating art, entertainment, journalism, and creative work. But it's happening in a bizarro opposite direction, and that alone is going to undermine everyone and everything we know.
I'm not sure on that - in a true socialist economy (different clearly from communism), it wouldn't be thwarted at all but pursued and embraced as a means to more effectively reach a better level of socialism. Lenin and Stalin would gladly pull the plug on AGI and have their men smash the servers to bits and have the programmers shot - but Karl Marx would applaud the rise of AGI as bringing his goal to reality.The great historical irony is that if we had a socialist economy, this would all almost certainly be thwarted, prevented, or regulated so as to prevent workers from becoming redundant or inconvenienced until everything could be done as equally as possible. Yet the Soft AI Takeover will be called the result of socialism rather than natural capitalist forces.
I always wondered what the world might've been if we had one true socialist democracy in our history. Instead of now where all "socialist" states where under brutal dictatorships.
Agreed. I was saying that it'd take a Skynet situation where AGI sought to take control from humans or that humans wouldn't have a say, not that I believed that it could happen.Skynet isn't happening.