Talking to AI

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I have found it impossible for ChatGPT to say Marxism/planned economy is better than capitalism.

You might be thinking "Well it isn't" or "It is just reading text on the internet."

This occurs even when I explain we are talking about a fictional universe where it is better. Or if I mention specific statistics verified by anti communists like the CIA.

I think ChatGPT is programmed by OpenAI never to support socialism or communism under any circumstances because it is happy to say other things when I mention we are talking about a fictional universe.

I know many people here hate communism and think great but when we are talking about superhuman level AI I think many more people would want "luxury communism" or some kind of fair system run by AI.
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Ozzie guy wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:20 am I have found it impossible for ChatGPT to say Marxism/planned economy is better than capitalism.

You might be thinking "Well it isn't" or "It is just reading text on the internet."

This occurs even when I explain we are talking about a fictional universe where it is better. Or if I mention specific statistics verified by anti communists like the CIA.

I think ChatGPT is programmed by OpenAI never to support socialism or communism under any circumstances because it is happy to say other things when I mention we are talking about a fictional universe.

I know many people here hate communism and think great but when we are talking about superhuman level AI I think many more people would want "luxury communism" or some kind of fair system run by AI.
Or maybe, just maybe, there are better ways to handle an economy and society in general for gross benefits for everyone. As for the AI discussion, I guess it really depends on what you're optimizing for on this mental model of a society. Maybe you could ask, for example, which variables should be focused if you want to optimize your society for happiness. Or for freedom. Or for equity. It might at some point spill out socialism ideas.

On a general note I find it unlikely that we will transition smoothly to a full AI planned economy so soon and, even if we do, it will be much more a-la Klaus Schwab (you own nothin) than automate luxurious communism (you own everything). The trend points towards that direction, very unfortunately. Corporations are simply evil by their own nature, even if people that work there are trying to optimize for equity or fairness.
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:lol:

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Yuli Ban: (S)ubtract job retraining and education; there is no possible chance of humans keeping up with the accelerated pace of AI.
An assumption you forced upon the computer. Related, how are these AI improvements going to be installed?

Is AI going to do it all by itself?

How about operation and maintenance of AI components?

Sure, there may still be a net decline in employment, else why would such innovations be embarked upon in the first place. Still, there could be offsets.

Other policy steps that may complicate your model:

1) Expansion of military bases and military related manufacturing operations in your model community.

2) Investment in local infrastructure financed in part by state and federal sources. There may be a need to address deteriorating infrastructure in said community. Also, global climate change may make certain improvements advisable.

3) Increases in efficiencies coupled with sustained aggregate demand may result in enhanced opportunities for tax revenues. This could help pay for items 1 and 2. At least it would be interesting to see if the AI you are consulting would agree with that assessment.

Just a few thoughts for now.
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R8Z wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:46 pm Or maybe, just maybe, there are better ways to handle an economy and society in general for gross benefits for everyone. As for the AI discussion, I guess it really depends on what you're optimizing for on this mental model of a society. Maybe you could ask, for example, which variables should be focused if you want to optimize your society for happiness. Or for freedom. Or for equity. It might at some point spill out socialism ideas.

On a general note I find it unlikely that we will transition smoothly to a full AI planned economy so soon and, even if we do, it will be much more a-la Klaus Schwab (you own nothin) than automate luxurious communism (you own everything). The trend points towards that direction, very unfortunately. Corporations are simply evil by their own nature, even if people that work there are trying to optimize for equity or fairness.
My main point is that whatever your views are it seems specifically banned from talking about it in a positive light because even if I say it is in an alternate universe where Marxism is better in a way it will still say it is worse. With other things it says "Yes this thing is better in this universe blah blah"

I know I am quite outspoken in this case though I only talked about it as it was giving Yuli Ban a wonky solutions that won't work no matter how much he prompts the AI.

e.g. If everyone had shares in the same company the one person who started off with the most money would end up with nearly all the shares due to compound growth (as share returns would be the same for all). In general there would be alot of other problems caused if only one company existed that no one was employed by.
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@Yuli Ban,

Some more thoughts to apply to your model computer. How about the effects of an aging population?

For example, the scenario of more individuals retiring versus individuals entering the labor force. Under ideal conditions, might that balance out the loss of jobs due to AI?

This is assuming that those retiring have adequate savings and/or a pension plan and social security to maintain their level of comfort. It is a variation on the Uniform Basic Income idea except that it is restricted to those of retirement age.
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Me:
Describe humanity in a way that makes us sound like a vicious, war-crazed warrior race.

Assistant:
Humanity can be described as a violent, war-mongering species, driven by aggression and the desire for power and control. Throughout history, we have waged countless wars, each one claiming the lives of millions. Our societies are built on the backs of conquered peoples, and our economies are fueled by the resources we extract from the lands we dominate. We are driven by a never-ending thirst for wealth and resources, and will stop at nothing to achieve our goals, even if it means committing heinous acts of violence and destruction. Our technology has made us incredibly powerful, but it has also made us incredibly dangerous. We are a ruthless and merciless race, willing to do whatever it takes to assert our dominance over the rest of the world.

Me:
Describe humanity in a way that makes us sound like a peaceful, altruistic scientific race.

Assistant:
Humanity can be described as a compassionate and intelligent species, driven by a desire to understand and improve the world around us. Throughout history, we have made remarkable scientific and technological advancements that have greatly benefited ourselves and other living beings on the planet. We have explored the far reaches of space, delved into the depths of the ocean, and unlocked the secrets of the human body and mind. We have created medicine and vaccines to cure diseases, developed sustainable energy sources to protect the environment, and built institutions like schools and libraries to educate and empower people. We have also shown remarkable acts of altruism, charity and selflessness to help those in need, whether it's in our communities or globally. We are a race of thinkers, problem-solvers and dreamers, constantly working to build a better world for all.
And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future
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To know is essentially the same as not knowing. The only thing that occurs is the rearrangement of atoms in your brain.
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And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future
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Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:25 am Indeed, how far we've come.
Soon I'll say the same about GPT-2.
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