COVID-19 News and Discussions

[Yuli Ban]

[Yuli Ban]

[R8Z]

Contrary to the fear mongering the death wave in South Africa hasn't moved yet to follow the cases wave, yet another confirmation it is a milder strain. Several sources are replicating this information now.

I will check again in 20 days, but so far the situation looks very bright for the world. Omicron might really put an end to the pandemic in 2022.

[wjfox]

the situation looks very bright for the world.

I think it's too early to say. WHO only named the variant three weeks ago.

And in the meantime, hospitals are overflowing, operations are being cancelled, many people are getting permanent organ and neurological damage, businesses are shutting down. Plus the sheer number of cases may give rise to yet another variant. Billions remain unvaccinated. The virus is spreading in animals too.

To claim the situation looks "very bright" at the moment is bordering on trolling.

[andmar74]

To claim the situation looks "very bright" at the moment is bordering on trolling.

It looks very bright for those antivaxxers and Trumpists who want the society as we know it to collapse, so they can freely plunder and rape.

[erowind]

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[R8Z]

To claim the situation looks "very bright" at the moment is bordering on trolling.

It looks very bright for those antivaxxers and Trumpists who want the society as we know it to collapse, so they can freely plunder and rape.

Omicron hospitalization rate less than 10% that of Delta, South Africa health minister says, citing early data
Marianne Guenot
Dec. 17, 2021, 2:22 PM

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/omic ... er-2021-12

Should I be sad or not excited to see such news? not sure about you, but this sounds very promising. As always, it's early to say so I am cautious not to claim definitives. Also, don't worry about being disrespectful, you can call me random names, I am very used to be bashed by simply non-conforming (this time with the absolute fear). It's, in fact, entertaining.

To claim the situation looks "very bright" at the moment is bordering on trolling.

I can stop posting about this, if you wish. Just let me know. Sorry if it comes out as trolling.

[caltrek]

From the source cited by R8Z in the immediately preceding post:

This dynamic may not persist in other nations, as South Africa has a much younger population than places like the US and Europe, Bloomberg noted.

There is also a high rate of immunity in that population from vaccination and previous exposure to COVID-19.

A recent survey found that 70% to 80% of the population had antibodies against the coronavirus, per Bloomberg.

[caltrek]

I can stop posting about this, if you wish. Just let me know. Sorry if it comes out as trolling.

From my perspective, please don't stop posting about this or any other topic, especially if you back up your statements with cited sources.

[andmar74]

Also, don't worry about being disrespectful, you can call me random names, I am very used to be bashed by simply non-conforming (this time with the absolute fear). It's, in fact, entertaining.

I'm not calling you anything. I suspect that certain people would look forward to chaos in the world, I don't know if you are one of them.

[wjfox]

I can stop posting about this, if you wish. Just let me know. Sorry if it comes out as trolling.

You're a great member, I don't want you to stop posting.

However, it's simply too early to say how bad Omicron will be, and there are many contradictory articles right now. Some saying it's milder, some saying it's just as bad as Delta. Caltrek also provided some context in that quote.

It kind of irked me when you described the situation as "very bright", and "confirmation" of a milder strain, when my city is the global epicentre of the latest outbreak, everything here is shutting down, and it seems likely I'll have yet another Christmas on my own. We should wait another 2-3 weeks before jumping to conclusions and giving ourselves false hope.

I also think you overlook the importance of case numbers. This isn't just about deaths, but also the health impacts for survivors, e.g. Long Covid (something I dread catching). Look at the articles Yuli has posted on brain/organ damage, even in milder cases.

[wjfox]

10,000 new Omicron cases in the UK today (triple the number yesterday), taking the total to 26,000.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan just declared a major incident –

[Yuli Ban]

"Mild" annoys me for plenty of reasons
This is one of them


Seriously, isn't anyone concerned at how much the mainstream media is pushing this "it's mild" narrative against actual reports from the hospitals? I know Trumpists are going to scream "They're trying to make everyone live in fear!" because they live in their own world now where facts don't matter, but looking at the MSM, it's uncanny how quickly they adopted the "it's mild and nothing to worry about" position.

[wjfox]

Netherlands just announced a 1 month lockdown, beginning tomorrow morning.

[weatheriscool]

Omicron more likely to reinfect than Delta, no milder -study
Source: Reuters

The results of the study by Imperial College London were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

"We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it added that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

"Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta," the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

The protection afforded by past infection against reinfection with Omicron may be as low as 19%, Imperial College (ICL) said in a statement, noting that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-12-17/

[weatheriscool]

In my opinion I don't think we're going to be able to stop covid. It is literally the perfect mutator and will go right around our vaccines within 6 months flat. It sucks.

We will have to learn to live with it.

[erowind]

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[wjfox]

In my opinion I don't think we're going to be able to stop covid. It is literally the perfect mutator and will go right around our vaccines within 6 months flat. It sucks.

We will have to learn to live with it.

The world needs a universal Covid vaccine. Whoever develops this will be guaranteed a Nobel Prize in Medicine. I refuse to believe we're stuck with this virus forever. We eradicated smallpox in 1980.

[Ken_J]

In my opinion I don't think we're going to be able to stop covid. It is literally the perfect mutator and will go right around our vaccines within 6 months flat. It sucks.

We will have to learn to live with it.

The world needs a universal Covid vaccine. Whoever develops this will be guaranteed a Nobel Prize in Medicine. I refuse to believe we're stuck with this virus forever. We eradicated smallpox in 1980.

in 1980 we didn't have social media to fuel misinformation and anti-vaxx hysteria. The politics of the time weren't perfects but it didn't politicize everything to the degree that people made life choices based on fucking over "the other side" or believe that the others were secretly pedophile reptile alien satanists trying to make you wear masks as part of a mind control experiment. The general public may not have understood any more science than they do now, but they weren't convince that they knew the truth that radio towers were killing us all, the earth was flat and big science is trying to destroy our way of life.
And the news wouldn't give this insanity the time of day. They just reported on what was happening without the sensationalised crap, and opinion pieces pretending to be news. They weren't without bias but they at least weren't such bizarre fiction crafters as we see today.

Face it, the more accurate example of the 80s handling of disease is HIV. and that was a horror show we still feel the consequences of today.

[Yuli Ban]