Basic Income News and Discussions

[raklian]

The thread is a good read, mostly evidence in favor of UBI.

[raklian]

Interesting concept - voluntarily selling labor to those who want it.

[raklian]

Hmmm....

[weatheriscool]

Interesting concept - voluntarily selling labor to those who want it.

Lets say that a.i and machines can make all the goods and basics? Why should anyone be forced to work? shouldn't that be considered to have been a form of slavery in the future?

[weatheriscool]

Hmmm....

Exactly, this is one area star trek was 100% spot on. If it isn't necessary was force it?

[wjfox]

[Cyber_Rebel]

Canada actually did UBI experiments already in limited trials, the results seemed very promising. I wouldn't be surprised at all if our more humanely inclined northern neighbors adopted a UBI system fully. Have much more faith in them doing so than us at least.

Also, nice to see that "Canzuk" is still a thing. Maybe having mobility between these countries could mean adopting similar UBI policies throughout them.

[raklian]

[raklian]

[raklian]

Land value tax makes so much sense.

[wjfox]

[wjfox]

Brits to receive Universal Basic Income for the first time ever

Published 10:17, 04 June 2023 BST

For the first time ever, Universal Basic Income is set to be trialled in England in what is being called an 'exciting' plan.

Under the scheme, 30 people in two areas will be selected to receive an unconditional sum of £1,600 each month for two years.

The effects the additional cash has on their lives will be monitored for research purposes.

Advocates for this model argue it provides additional security for people in and out of work, and would help wipe out poverty completely.

On the other hand, critics insist that such a policy would prove to be too pricey and that it would be better to target support to those in need.

https://www.ladbible.com/news/brits-uni ... 9-20230604

[Time_Traveller]

Brits to receive Universal Basic Income for the first time ever

Published 10:17, 04 June 2023 BST

For the first time ever, Universal Basic Income is set to be trialled in England in what is being called an 'exciting' plan.

Under the scheme, 30 people in two areas will be selected to receive an unconditional sum of £1,600 each month for two years.

The effects the additional cash has on their lives will be monitored for research purposes.

Advocates for this model argue it provides additional security for people in and out of work, and would help wipe out poverty completely.

On the other hand, critics insist that such a policy would prove to be too pricey and that it would be better to target support to those in need.

https://www.ladbible.com/news/brits-uni ... 9-20230604

What would happen if UBI replaced the minimum wage.

[raklian]

[raklian]

Robots alone might not save us, but they can help
By Jason Leman 20th June 2023

Simon Duffy argues in this blog post that the automation of jobs is not a compelling reason for a basic income. Capitalists will always find a way to make a profit. However, I argue below that technology makes the transition to a basic income more likely. It does this through providing greater choice over how we spend our time and providing us with a greater ability to meet our own needs.

https://citizensincome.org/news/robots- ... -can-help/

[raklian]

[wjfox]

[erowind]

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[raklian]

Spot on.

[caltrek]

How “Windfall Profits” from AI Companies Could Fund a Universal Basic Income
by Dylan Matthews
July 28, 2023

Introduction:

(Vox) There’s a lot of money in AI. That’s not just something that startup founders rushing to cash in on the latest fad believe; some very reputable economists are predicting a massive boom in productivity as AI use takes off, buoyed by empirical research showing tools like ChatGPT boost worker output.

But while previous tech founders such as Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg schemed furiously to secure as much control over the companies they created as possible — and with it, the financial upside — AI founders are taking a different tack, and experimenting with novel corporate governance structures meant to force themselves to take nonmonetary considerations into account.

Demis Hassabis, the founder of DeepMind, sold his company to Google in 2014 only after the latter agreed to an independent ethics board that would govern how Google uses DeepMind’s research. (How much teeth the board has had in practice is debatable.)

ChatGPT maker OpenAI is structured as a nonprofit that owns a for-profit arm with “capped” profits: First-round investors would stop earning after their shares multiply in value a hundredfold, with profits beyond that going into OpenAI’s nonprofit. A 100x return may seem ridiculous but consider that venture capitalist Peter Thiel invested $500,000 in Facebook and earned over $1 billion when the company went public, an over 2,000x return. If OpenAI is even a 10th that successful, the excess profits returning to the nonprofit would be huge.

Meanwhile, Anthropic, which makes the chatbot Claude, is divesting control over a majority of its board to a trust composed not of shareholders, but independent trustees meant to enforce a focus on safety ahead of profits.

The article continues, including an explicit discussion of UBI financed from AI industry profits.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/238 ... come-meta