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Well, it's called "Conserv. News and Discussions" as it's about conservatism. It isn't really a thread that is intended as support or opposition. You're right that the majority of posters are opposed to conservatism, though.
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DeSantis' woke war is unpopular in Florida
But the poll offers warning signs about those proposals, showing they remain broadly unpopular among the same voters that delivered a sweeping landslide for Republicans last fall.

A Florida GOP plan to ban abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, a much stricter rule than the state’s current 15 weeks, is opposed by 75% of voters, compared to just 22% who back it.

DeSantis’s move to allow unfettered concealed carry of guns is even more unpopular, with just 21% supporting it.

Powerful majorities of Sunshine State voters in the poll also support a constitutional amendment to legalize recreational use of marijuana and oppose DeSantis’s plans to halt efforts to increase diversity in public colleges and restrict discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools.


“Many voters we spoke to are not so thrilled about some of DeSantis’s most recent proposals in his war on ‘woke’ culture,” Binder said.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politi ... story.html

You'd think these people would vote against Desantist and his gang of thugs?
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funkervogt wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:18 pm I finally clicked on this thread to see what it was about. Instead of it being full of articles that show the perspectives of politically conservative people, it's full of articles that criticize them and make them look bad.

The thread should be renamed "Anti-conservative news and discussions".
I think that it is certainly true that a majority of news sources cited in this thread are liberal. Still, the thread does include citations from National Review and The Bulwark. More open to question are Newsweek, The Business Insider and various local news channels. Are those sources liberal or conservative? There was a time where I thought of Newsweek as being a mildly conservative news source.

While most of the news sources cited (excluding the above) are more to the left, they often sympathetically cited conservatives such as Laura Boebert uncharacteristically criticizing Marci Greene, Liz Cheney, conservative scholar Henry Olsen, Mitt Romney, Lindsay Graham, David Jolly and Kevin Down.

Of course, a lot depends on what you define as "conservative". In most cases, these "conservatives" were criticizing more right-wing extremist views.

A thesis I have been trying to push, regrettably largely ignored by other posters in this thread, is the Trump and the MAGA crowd are so extreme that they do not deserve to be considered "conservative." Nihilist perhaps, fascists maybe, or just plain batshit crazy, but not "conservative" in any sensible sense of the word. Citation of the conservates I list are often very much an effort to reassert the philosophical doctrine of conservatism in the face of that word being hijacked by folks who are anything but "conservative." Sometimes by spokespersons who are very inconsistent in that regards. Certainly, Laura Boebert and Lindsey Graham have suffered from such inconsistency.

Yes, more often than not, coverage of these "conservatives" involved citing "liberal" sources.

Edit: Removal of the word "not" before liberal in first sentence of my reply to reflect my original intent. Also, to correct the spelling of "inconsistent" "inconsistency" and "regards."
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21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions
MEMBERS OF THE South Carolina State House are considering a bill that would make a woman who has an abortion in the state eligible for the death penalty.

The “South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection Act of 2023” would amend the state’s code of laws, redefining “person” to include a fertilized egg at the point of conception, affording that zygote “equal protection under the homicide laws of the state” — up to and including the ultimate punishment: death.

The bill was authored by Rep. Rob Harris, a registered nurse and member of the Freedom Caucus; it has attracted 21 co-sponsors to date. (Two former co-sponsors — Rep. Matt Leber and Rep. Kathy Landing — asked to have their names removed as sponsors of the bill. Leber and Landing could not be reached for comment.)

Rep. Nancy Mace, a Republican who represents South Carolina in the U.S. House, took to the floor on Friday to call attention to the bill, which she sees as part of a “deeply disturbing” trend. (Multiple Texas lawmakers have floated the idea of executing women who have abortions in the past. Those bills, proposed before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, failed.)

“To see this debate go to the dark places, the dark edges, where it has gone on both sides of the aisle, has been deeply disturbing to me as a woman, as a female legislator, as a mom, and as a victim of rape. I was raped as a teenager at the age of 16,” Mace said. “This debate ought to be a bipartisan debate where we balance the rights of women and we balance the right to life. But we aren’t having that conversation here in D.C. We aren’t having that conversation at home. We aren’t having that conversation with fellow state lawmakers.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234695566/
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Second voting machine company approved for lawsuit against Fox News. This time for $2.7 billion!
Goodbye Fox News!

A defamation lawsuit against Fox News by voting machine company Smartmatic appears to be headed to trial after the New York Supreme Court gave the green light last week.

An analysis by The Guardian found that the $2.7 billion lawsuit could be "more dangerous" than the $1.6 billion lawsuit brought by Dominion Voting Systems. In both cases, Fox News personalities are accused of falsely claiming President Joe Biden won the election because of a voting machine conspiracy.

"The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four," Smartmatic's 2021 complaint began. "Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable."

The complaint also noted: "Defendants did not want Biden to win the election. They wanted President Trump to win re-election … They also saw an opportunity to capitalize on President Trump’s popularity by inventing a story.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 6008&ei=36
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The Supreme Court Just Keeps Deciding It Should Be Even More Powerful
Whatever conservative ethos of restraint there once was has vanished.

By Kimberly Wehle
By its own maneuvering, the modern Supreme Court has made itself the most powerful branch of government. Superior to Congress. Superior to the president. Superior to the states. Superior to precedent, procedure, and norms. In effect, superior to the people.



Most talked about in this regard, of course, is the Court’s ending of long-established reproductive rights in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. But the assertion of extreme power extends well beyond the issue of abortion.


For example, in a case called TransUnion LLC v. Ramirez, the conservative majority in 2021 narrowed Congress’s Article I power to give consumers the right to sue over data deliberately mishandled by credit-reporting agencies, reasoning that the legislature can only recognize theories of harm analogous to ones that existed as a matter of “American history and tradition.” And this year, the Court is considering a handful of lawsuits by states challenging the exercise of discretion by the executive branch on the theory that federal policy affects state budgets, which could effectively enable states—and thus the Court—to function as the ultimate overseers of federal policy. One of those, Haaland v. Brackeen, is poised to possibly upend roughly two centuries of Supreme Court precedent that recognizes American Indian tribes as political sovereigns, as well as Congress’s plenary power over American Indian affairs. The outcome of the case, which involves a decades-old federal statute that sets child-welfare standards for American Indian children, could put hundreds of U.S. tribal treaties at risk as well.
The mere fact that the Court agreed to consider these and other extraordinary claims this term exposes the right-wing majority’s appetite for asserting massive power under the auspices of judicial review.

In a November essay for the Harvard Law Review, the Stanford Law School professor Mark A. Lemley describes this Court as an “imperial” one that has embarked on “a radical restructuring of American law across a range of fields and disciplines.” .The means run along two lines: substantive changes to the Constitution made under the guise of interpretation, and procedural power grabs executed despite traditions of deference. This has pushed our constitutional system dangerously off balance, with little opportunity for correct
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MUCH MORE:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... bs/673347/
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Oklahoma Republican praises 'the rod' in rejecting bill to ban corporal punishment of disabled kids - RawStory
Republicans in Oklahoma this week rejected a piece of legislation that would have barred using corporal punishment on disabled children, with one GOP lawmaker saying that using physical violence against kids with disabilities was part of God's plan.
Link: https://www.rawstory.com/corporal-punis ... -oklahoma/

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weatheriscool wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:16 pm Oklahoma Republican praises 'the rod' in rejecting bill to ban corporal punishment of disabled kids - RawStory
Republicans in Oklahoma this week rejected a piece of legislation that would have barred using corporal punishment on disabled children, with one GOP lawmaker saying that using physical violence against kids with disabilities was part of God's plan.
Link: https://www.rawstory.com/corporal-punis ... -oklahoma/

:shock:
Whatever happened to the good old days when "conservatives" sought to minimize the negative intrusive effects of government on our everyday lives?

Suddenly, it would seem, there seems to be no aspect of our private lives that they are not willing to disrupt, even at the cost of traumatizing children.
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caltrek wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:39 pm
weatheriscool wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:16 pm Oklahoma Republican praises 'the rod' in rejecting bill to ban corporal punishment of disabled kids - RawStory
Republicans in Oklahoma this week rejected a piece of legislation that would have barred using corporal punishment on disabled children, with one GOP lawmaker saying that using physical violence against kids with disabilities was part of God's plan.
Link: https://www.rawstory.com/corporal-punis ... -oklahoma/

:shock:
Whatever happened to the good old days when "conservatives" sought to minimize the negative intrusive effects of government on our everyday lives?

Suddenly, it would seem, there seems to be no aspect of our private lives that they are not willing to disrupt, even at the cost of traumatizing children.
They have been watching Putin, Kim jong un and the taliban and came to the conclusion that they're right. We're in a lot of trouble if we don't defeat these freaks.
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11th Circuit upholds injunction on DeSantis' 'Stop WOKE Act' pending appeal
https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/ ... voa-v-diaz


FIRE
@TheFIREorg

BREAKING: Federal appeals court says Florida’s universities can’t enforce the Stop WOKE Act pending appeal.
https://thefire.org/research-learn/elev ... voa-v-diaz


Federal judge’s order—in two lawsuits, one by FIRE, the other by @ACLU & @NAACP_LDF—directing Florida’s public universities not to enforce the law remains in place. Professors must be able to discuss subjects like race and gender without hesitation or fear of state reprisal.

Any law that limits the free exchange of ideas in university classrooms should lose in both the court of law and the court of public opinion.

FIRE filed its lawsuit in September.

"Without the freedom to engage in vigorous and robust debate about important issues and contentious concepts, a college education is just an exercise in memorizing facts and repeating government-approved viewpoints," said FIRE attorney @adamsteinbaugh. "That's not freedom or education."
More background: https://thefire.org/news/lawsuit-fire-c ... t-race-sex

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