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Trump is fucked. I wouldn't be shocked if he got 20 years or more.


This guy shouldn't be allowed to campaign.
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The Espionage Act's Serious Flaws Are Not at Issue in the Case of Donald Trump
by Jameel Jaffer
June 10, 2023

Introduction:
(Common Dreams) The revelation that the Justice Department is investigating former President Donald Trump for violations of the Espionage Act has provoked a new wave of criticism of that century-old law, with some calling on Congress to narrow the law and at least one senator declaring that it should be repealed altogether. There are in fact very good reasons to criticize the Espionage Act — a law that has cast a dark shadow over free speech and press freedom in this country since its passage — and compelling reasons why Congress should overhaul it. That the law is being used against Trump, however, isn’t one of them.

This much the law’s new critics have right: The Espionage Act is wildly overbroad. We know this from experience. Former President Woodrow Wilson signed the measure into law in 1917 and immediately began using it as an instrument of political repression. During and after the First World War, his administration used the Espionage Act to prosecute thousands of people for legitimate political speech….

Congress amended the Espionage Act after the Second World War, but the amended law, like the original, criminalizes a wide range of activity bearing little resemblance to espionage as the term is usually understood.

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Trump isn’t a whistleblower or reporter or publisher. There is no serious argument that he retained top secret records so that he could inform the public about government misconduct. The concerns that have led civil liberties and press freedom groups to fear and condemn the Espionage Act simply aren’t present here. Indeed, if the facts are essentially as the Justice Department asserts them to be — that Trump left the White House with scores of top-secret documents, that he failed to adequately secure them, that he refused to return them even after receiving a request from the National Archives and Records Administration and a subpoena from the Department of Justice — even a substantially narrowed criminal regime that better accounted for the First Amendment interests of whistleblowers, journalists and the public would almost certainly reach the conduct that Trump is said to have engaged in here.
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wjfox wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:40 pm

Should be a little careful here. Suppose somebody replaced "Republicans" with "Jews."

It is not Republicans that are the real problem. The real problem are leaders like Trump and House Speaker McCarthy as well as ultraconservative news outlets like Fox News. These opinion makers put forth a logically incoherent narrative calculated to appeal to emotions and not logical analysis. Many otherwise decent and well-meaning people are duped by this form of propaganda. Of course, at the fringe are fascists and White Supremacists, but not all Republicans belong to that fringe
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caltrek wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 4:43 pm It is not Republicans that are the real problem.
Yes, because George W. Bush Jr., Dick Cheyney, and Richard Nixon were truly the epitome of well-meaning people. The fact of the matter is Trump, and his ilk are the result and creation of a highly corrupt party and by extension system to begin with. You will get more like him simply by not addressing these issues within a highly corrupt structure. I do agree with the propaganda mill that is Fox News, but you should be more aware than most of how long that's been going on. I also don't believe that the "dupped voters" are as innocent as people make them out to be, as their representatives are in a lot of cases appealing to their core instincts.

I usually don't pay much attention to the happenings of the political world that much these days, because it just seems to be same old circulation of nonsense and focusing on nonsensical things.

The Republicans would most certainly like to be viewed as victims (ie Jews) I'm sure, but one has to wonder, what good is their ideology if there is one, and has it ever truly benefitted anyone other than themselves? Has it improved the livelihood of others, advanced society in any meaningful way, helped the planet? I'd extend this to some Democrats as well. The United States is simply a backwater politically.
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