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[Time_Traveller]

Absolutely shocking, i know France riots from time to time but this is ridiculous.

[firestar464]

The police need to be abolished. This stuff will keep happening until that happens. Radical! Unthinkable?! What solution does anyone from any other political persuasion but anarchism have to offer that have genuinely worked? Oversight committees are failures, body cameras don't seem to stop the problem, even when they provide proof cops have legal immunity. There are plenty of other liberal reforms that have been attempted and none of them work, our slide in authoritarianism continues.

So what comes after abolition if the institution is so rotten that it can't be fixed and must be completely dismantled? Two things, a splitting of roles and democratic nomination. Cops can't be expected to do all of the jobs they are tasked with well. The same people called to a violent crime like murder or assault shouldn't be handling mental health crises or interacting with petty civil disputes and ticketing.

At minimum a few new well funded and well trained jobs are needed, and these are just ones I can think of.

Unarmed mental health care workers who can respond to mental health crises. (Though trained in self defense and given self defense weapons like pepper spray and maybe civilian tasers.)

Traffic directors who do not have the ability to arrest. Infrastructure should be designed to disincentivize reckless driving and over reliance on cars anyways. Morover traffic directors would not ticket for petty offenses such as broken taillights or going 10mph over the speed limit. Their job would solely be to record and report reckless driving or inform a driver of something dangerously broken on their car.

Violent crime responders who sole job it is to show up to violent crimes, attempt to deescalate and only as a last resort use force. These are the only people who need to be armed and even they don't need armored personnel carriers like modern police have. Any situation that requires an APC should warrant a military response not a civilian one.

There are probably more duties that can be split into different jobs too. Cops are expected to do way too much and often only trained to respond with force to everything with token training in anything else.

But this still doesn't solve the problem of sadists and psychopaths becoming part of a hypothetical violent crime response force, whatever we'd call them. I'll call them "public defenders" for the sake of brevity.

Public defender is not a position that anyone should be able to apply for. Instead a democratic nomination should take place. People in a community should have to nominate other people in their communities for the position and the position should generally be a temporary one served on terms like in the military. If people don't want the job there would have to be some kind of draft--though still with democratic nomination--something like how Switzerland runs their military/civil service.

The whole point of nomination and democratic approval by the community is that only people who are trusted by the community are permitted into the position. Anyone seeking individual power over others as a rule should be denied power, seeking power in of itself is a dangerous trait and one that should be actively discouraged by society. At the very least our peacekeeping forces cannot be allowed to be filled with actual psychopaths.

A simpler solution would just be to start training our cops properly like in Norway, where they have to train for three years. How many killed by cops last year? One person only.

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[lechwall]

Animals a lot of these rioters just looking for trouble they don't give a sh*t about getting justice for the original victim they just want to watch things burn. I must say that the banlieues remind me more of certain parts of US cities as opposed to European ones always on edge.

[wjfox]

France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone, spy on people

TOSIN AJUWON • JULY 6, 2023

A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.

The bill allows the geolocation of crime suspects, covering other devices like laptops, cars and connected devices, just as it could be remotely activated to record sound and images of people suspected of terror offences, as well as delinquency and organised crime.

Although, the spying provision, which is part of a wider “justice reform bill”, has been attacked by the left and rights defenders as an authoritarian snoopers’ charter.

The provisions “raise serious concerns over infringements of fundamental liberties,” stated a French advocacy group promoting digital rights and freedoms, La Quadrature du Net.

The group cited the “right to security, right to a private life and to private correspondence” and “the right to come and go freely,” specifically called the proposal a part of a “slide into heavy-handed security.”

https://gazettengr.com/france-passes-bi ... on-people/

[firestar464]

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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone, spy on people

TOSIN AJUWON • JULY 6, 2023

A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.

The bill allows the geolocation of crime suspects, covering other devices like laptops, cars and connected devices, just as it could be remotely activated to record sound and images of people suspected of terror offences, as well as delinquency and organised crime.

Although, the spying provision, which is part of a wider “justice reform bill”, has been attacked by the left and rights defenders as an authoritarian snoopers’ charter.

The provisions “raise serious concerns over infringements of fundamental liberties,” stated a French advocacy group promoting digital rights and freedoms, La Quadrature du Net.

The group cited the “right to security, right to a private life and to private correspondence” and “the right to come and go freely,” specifically called the proposal a part of a “slide into heavy-handed security.”

https://gazettengr.com/france-passes-bi ... on-people/

I'd be surprised if they weren't able to do this before they passed this bill.