Ice Lake (10th gen) has very good energy efficiency. It also added AVX-512 instructions (useful i.e. in AI workloads). Overall, Meteor Lake seems to be slightly over 2 times faster than Whiskey Lake from 2018 on average. The improvement is certainly noticeable, but not huge. Meteor Lake CPUs are unfortunately more expensive than 8565, 1065 or 1185, but might go down in price later this year. Meteor Lake (Ultra series) drivers seem to be unoptimized.
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How has memory (GDDR) speed improved in Nvidia 80-class cards since 23rd of May 2013 GTX 780:
How has memory (RAM) bandwidth improved in Apple iPhones (2010, 2016 and 2022):
2023 iPhones have the same bandwidth as 2022 iPhones. Perhaps, 2024 iPhones will have 68.2 GB/s, like the competition already had in 2023. Improvements aren't great. Especially since 2018 in dGPUs (or more like since 2010 or 2013) and since 2016 in smartphone SoCs. I hope this accelerates soon. GDDR7 is coming later this year and faster LPDDR5 (9.6 GT vs 5.6 GT) is also coming later this year.
I would like to see 65% faster GDDR in RTX 5080 than in RTX 4080 (37 vs 22.4). And I hope that intervals between GPU architectures won't be getting longer. Turing --> Ampere was 24 months and Ampere --> Lovelace was 26 months. Next architecture is allegedly coming in February or March 2025 which would be 26 or 27 months since Lovelace.
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After I personally experienced i7-2600K 4 cores 8 threads all running @5GHz back in 2011 (and it wasn't crazy expensive), I was utterly disappointed by all the CPUs which followed. I hoped that they (companies like Intel) would be preparing and working for 5 years to release something revolutionary (in a very positive way) in 2016. Turned out that there wasn't anything interesting on that front in 2016 (both AMD and Intel were practically releasing the same thing in 2011-2016).
Zen 1 wasn't very interesting either. Games and programs couldn't fully utilise 16 threads and single-thread still was only on Haswell level, so it wasn't impressive at all. You could match 4 GHz Zen 1 with 5 GHz Sandy Bridge. 2x corecount was nice, but not very useful in 2017 for most people (more useful when going from an older i3 to 2017 Ryzen 3). Coffee Lake was better, because overclocked (still up to 5 GHz) single-thread performance exceeded 4 GHz Zen 1 as well as 5 GHz Sandy Bridge.
That illusionary hope kept me less depressed and anxious during those 5 years, but more depressed and anxious after I realised nothing much much better would be coming, just more of slightly better things we've already seen before. Some were not surprised. I was honestly very surprised.
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Intel Arrow Lake CPU Spotted With 24 Threads
AVX-512 functionality is once again MIA.
By Josh Norem February 2, 2024
Intel is expected to launch Arrow Lake in late 2024 as the next-gen replacement for Raptor Lake. It'll mark a monumental shift for the company from monolithic chips to a new tile-based design. Testing these new CPUs seems to be underway, as an Arrow Lake chip with interesting specs has been spotted online. The chip is reporting it has 24 threads, is running at 3GHz, and has no AVX-512 instruction set (once again).
The chip is labeled "Arrow Lake Client Platform," so no guesswork is required here. Details of the chip were posted on X by @InstLatX64, and the boot log can be found here. It shows a CPU with 24 threads, which sounds unimpressive since Raptor Lake i9 chips have 32 threads. However, the current rumor is that Intel will ditch Hyper-Threading for its next-gen processors, similar to Apple's Arm chips, which could mean it's a 24-core CPU. Intel offers the same number of cores for its current i9 chips, divided between P-and-E cores (16+8).
weatheriscool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:41 pm
The chip is reporting it has 24 threads, is running at 3GHz, and has no AVX-512 instruction set
This doesn't seem even remotely impressive or exciting, unless there is some crazy high performance per clock going on, which I doubt. Even 40% performance per clock improvement compared to Golden Cove wouldn't change anything, unless Arrow Lake operates at 8+ GHz on air cooling and overclocks to 12+ GHz on liquid nitrogen. But again, always take "leaks" and rumours with a large grain of salt. AMX can replace AVX-512 in AI workloads btw.
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In most video games, when Ryzen 1600 came out (11th of April 2017, with a launch price of 219 USD), it was only 33% faster than previous AMD "six-core" - the FX-6300 (release date 23rd of October 2012 for $132). Intel i5-7500 (MSRP $192) was 25% faster. 1600 was usually as fast in most video games as i5-2500K at default clockspeeds released back in January 2011. By the way, Intel i5-2500K could overclock to 5 GHz which was impossible even for Zen 2, let alone Zen 1 (hard to do even for Zen 3 with all cores fully enabled).
In some rare more multi-threaded games, Ryzen 1600 was 57% faster than the FX-6300 and as fast as the i5-4690K. i5-7500 was 12.5% faster.
In the most rare, the most multi-threaded games, it was as fast as i7-6700K, but the i7-6900K was still 34% faster. 1600 was 161% faster than i3-4170 and 149% faster than FX-6300 and those were the extremely rare games, where the first gen 6-core Ryzen was shining and used to be a relatively decent deal for the money.
For example, in Watch Dogs 2 from November 2016, developed by Ubisoft Montreal, Ryzen 1600 @3900 MHz achieved as many frames per second as i7-4790K @4550 MHz, i7-6700K @4220 MHz or i7-6800K @3740 MHz. i5-7600K (came out on the 3rd of January 2017) @5000 MHz was 5% slower while being slightly more expensive and was only 12.5% faster than the six years older i5-2500K @5000 MHz.
In AIDA64 Engineer Edition, Ryzen 1600 @3200 MHz was only 3.2% slower than the 2x more expensive i7-6800K @3400 MHz and 66.1% faster than the new then i5-7600K @3800 MHz. 160.5% faster than AMD FX-6300 @3500 MHz. So it could be a significant upgrade when using the most multi-threaded applications which made full use of it.
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8-core 8-thread Skylake [Coffee Lake-R] vs 4-core 8-thread Skylake [Kaby Lake] vs 4-core 8-thread Sandy Bridge (Q1 2011) in 3D particle movement simulation, which can utilize various AVX instructions. Sandy Bridge has only AVX1, while Haswell and all subsequent Intel architectures have also AVX2, which is potentially up to two times faster with floating-point arithmetic. As you can see, the Q4 2018 i7-9700K is about ~3x faster than i7-2600K or i7-2700K (they are the same processors with slightly different names). i7-9700K performance is usually very similar to i7-8700K from Q4 2017.
Here's a new comparison with much newer CPUs from both Intel and AMD:
Turns out that Intel is behind now.
Global economy doubles in product every 15-20 years. Computer performance at a constant price doubles nowadays every 4 years on average. Livestock-as-food will globally stop being a thing by ~2050 (precision fermentation and more). Human stupidity, pride and depravity are the biggest problems of our world.
Intel CEO Confirms Arrow Lake Will Feature TSMC 3nm GPU tiles
Its upcoming Lunar Lake mobile platform will be using these tiles as well.
By Josh Norem February 23, 2024 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/i ... -gpu-tiles
At this week's Intel Foundry event, the company made news by talking about new nodes and partnerships. Though the conference was essentially about how Intel plans to leapfrog its rival TSMC regarding advanced nodes, Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger also confirmed its plans to use TSMC's cutting-edge 3nm process for its upcoming platforms.
Gelsinger's comments about its partnership with TSMC were delivered off-stage in a Q&A with the press and analysts, according to Wccftech. In the scrum, Gelsinger noted the two companies have been partners for a long time and that Intel will continue to use the Taiwanese fab for its next-generation Arrow Lake and Lunar Lake platforms. Intel currently uses TSMC's 6nm process for its discrete Arc graphics cards and TSMC's 5nm for the GPU tiles on its Meteor Lake mobile platform. Gelsinger said the company will jump to TSMC's 3nm process for its next-generation products.
*compared with an unspecified Intel 2021 server platform
This could be ~approximately in line with my "usually 2x every 4 years at the same price" prediction. I still don't know Sierra Forest CPUs prices.
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