https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... g-12978800The Israeli ambassador to the UK has rejected the idea of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Meanwhile, Israel has vowed to continue its bombardments in Gaza in the face of wavering international support - despite heavy losses.
As they should've from the start.weatheriscool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:00 am Israel-Hamas latest: IDF determined despite heavy losses in Gaza; ambassador says two-state solution not possiblehttps://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... g-12978800The Israeli ambassador to the UK has rejected the idea of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Meanwhile, Israel has vowed to continue its bombardments in Gaza in the face of wavering international support - despite heavy losses.
Then I guess they'll be taking the land and making the people a part of israel. If not then the United states needs to condemn israel and stop funding them.
Biden is finished with Netanyahu’s ‘Putin-like’ war: Key US legislator
Steve Cohen, a senior Democratic congressman, is adding his voice to the list of American politicians critical of Israel’s war on Gaza, underscoring that the US is Israel’s “last real friend”.
“Netanyahu has gone way too far and Jake Sullivan will be informing him that the bombing must be greatly limited or Israel will be without its last real friend, the USA & Joe Biden,” he wrote in a social media post.
“The President is finished with Bibi’s Putin-like no holds barred war. Hostages first! Civilians never.”
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/
Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Both groups, which have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators in Cairo, rejected offering any concessions beyond the possible release of more hostages seized on Oct. 7 when militants broke into southern Israel, killing 1,200 people.
Egypt proposed a "vision", also backed by Qatari mediators, that would involve a ceasefire in exchange for the release of more hostages, and lead to a broader agreement involving a permanent ceasefire along with an overhaul of leadership in Gaza, which is currently led by Hamas.
Egypt proposed elections while offering assurances to Hamas that its members would not be chased or prosecuted, but the Islamist group rejected any concessions other than hostage releases, the sources said. More than 100 hostages are still believed to be held in Gaza.
I guess Israel will finish razing Gaza into the ground.weatheriscool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:04 pm Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
Source: ReutersRead more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/
Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Both groups, which have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators in Cairo, rejected offering any concessions beyond the possible release of more hostages seized on Oct. 7 when militants broke into southern Israel, killing 1,200 people.
Egypt proposed a "vision", also backed by Qatari mediators, that would involve a ceasefire in exchange for the release of more hostages, and lead to a broader agreement involving a permanent ceasefire along with an overhaul of leadership in Gaza, which is currently led by Hamas.
Egypt proposed elections while offering assurances to Hamas that its members would not be chased or prosecuted, but the Islamist group rejected any concessions other than hostage releases, the sources said. More than 100 hostages are still believed to be held in Gaza.
Israel simply shouldn't be allowed to murder innocent people like this. They should be given a choice, 1. Support two states with the international community assuring a sound and stable government or 2 they should take the land and the people and give up their religious bigotry. No one has a right to kill people like this.raklian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:34 pmI guess Israel will finish razing Gaza into the ground.weatheriscool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:04 pm Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
Source: ReutersRead more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/
Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Both groups, which have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators in Cairo, rejected offering any concessions beyond the possible release of more hostages seized on Oct. 7 when militants broke into southern Israel, killing 1,200 people.
Egypt proposed a "vision", also backed by Qatari mediators, that would involve a ceasefire in exchange for the release of more hostages, and lead to a broader agreement involving a permanent ceasefire along with an overhaul of leadership in Gaza, which is currently led by Hamas.
Egypt proposed elections while offering assurances to Hamas that its members would not be chased or prosecuted, but the Islamist group rejected any concessions other than hostage releases, the sources said. More than 100 hostages are still believed to be held in Gaza.
…The Direct Polls survey that was published last Thursday (Direct Polls: Gantz and Bibi Neck-and-Neck, Smotrich Beats the Threshold) included the question: “To what degree do you support encouraging the voluntary emigration of Gaza Strip residents?”
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Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich stated on November 14: “I welcome the initiative of the voluntary evacuation of Gaza Arabs to the countries of the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region after 75 years of poverty and suffering. Most of the population of Gaza is the fourth and fifth generation of the 1948 refugees, who, instead of being rehabilitated a long time ago on a personal and human basis like hundreds of millions of refugees all over the world, were held hostage in Gaza in poverty and overcrowding and were a symbol of the desire to destroy the State of Israel and return the refugees to Jaffa, Haifa, Acre, and Tiberias.”
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The idea of removing all or some of the Arabs from Eretz Israel has been debated since before the establishment of the Jewish State. The British Zionist leader Israel Zangwill suggested in 1904 that the Arabs must be expelled by force, and Baron Edmund James de Rothschild was prepared to pay them to leave willingly. Ze’ev Jabotinsky in 1937 supported the voluntary emigration of the Arabs. One year earlier, the Peel Commission which proposed dividing the country into Arab and Jewish states, also proposed the evacuation of Arabs from the Jewish to the Arab territory, which received the enthusiastic support of David Ben Gurion.
The situation on the ground in Gaza, especially in Gaza City and the other cities of the northern Strip makes the return of more than a million Arabs to their homes impossible. Those homes no longer exist, nor does any semblance of an infrastructure. Even if Hamas is defeated tomorrow and the IDF lets up the fighting, and even if the needed billions of dollars are made available, rebuilding northern Gaza would take years.
I think a 2-state solution is still feasible after some political wrangling but it'll be just between Israel and West Palestine. My guess is Gaza is likely to be absorbed into Israel, or managed as an occupied territory for the foreseeable future.weatheriscool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:07 pmIsrael simply shouldn't be allowed to murder innocent people like this. They should be given a choice, 1. Support two states with the international community assuring a sound and stable government or 2 they should take the land and the people and give up their religious bigotry. No one has a right to kill people like this.raklian wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:34 pmI guess Israel will finish razing Gaza into the ground.weatheriscool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 5:04 pm Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject giving up power in return for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say
Source: Reuters
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 023-12-25/
You're asking them to leave because your state has no place for them? Geez Israelweatheriscool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:10 pm Poll: 83% of Israelis Support Voluntary Emigration from Gaza…The Direct Polls survey that was published last Thursday (Direct Polls: Gantz and Bibi Neck-and-Neck, Smotrich Beats the Threshold) included the question: “To what degree do you support encouraging the voluntary emigration of Gaza Strip residents?”
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Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich stated on November 14: “I welcome the initiative of the voluntary evacuation of Gaza Arabs to the countries of the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region after 75 years of poverty and suffering. Most of the population of Gaza is the fourth and fifth generation of the 1948 refugees, who, instead of being rehabilitated a long time ago on a personal and human basis like hundreds of millions of refugees all over the world, were held hostage in Gaza in poverty and overcrowding and were a symbol of the desire to destroy the State of Israel and return the refugees to Jaffa, Haifa, Acre, and Tiberias.”
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The idea of removing all or some of the Arabs from Eretz Israel has been debated since before the establishment of the Jewish State. The British Zionist leader Israel Zangwill suggested in 1904 that the Arabs must be expelled by force, and Baron Edmund James de Rothschild was prepared to pay them to leave willingly. Ze’ev Jabotinsky in 1937 supported the voluntary emigration of the Arabs. One year earlier, the Peel Commission which proposed dividing the country into Arab and Jewish states, also proposed the evacuation of Arabs from the Jewish to the Arab territory, which received the enthusiastic support of David Ben Gurion.
The situation on the ground in Gaza, especially in Gaza City and the other cities of the northern Strip makes the return of more than a million Arabs to their homes impossible. Those homes no longer exist, nor does any semblance of an infrastructure. Even if Hamas is defeated tomorrow and the IDF lets up the fighting, and even if the needed billions of dollars are made available, rebuilding northern Gaza would take years.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on ... 023/12/24/
