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firestar464 wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:05 pm The coverage of the US bombs is literally just a simplistic "bombs bad." Common Dreams should come back when they have actual wrongdoing to report. Also imagine citing CodePink as some sort of legit org.
It is not just the dropping of bombs, it is also the use of bombs on the territory of a foreign government. If a foreign country were to do that to the United States, even to attack terrorists, would we be as supportive?

Since when is "wrongdoing to report" the only criterion for whether a story is news-worthy?

I have cited CodePink in the past as a legitimate organization. They may be radically pacifist and thus not to your liking, but does that make them "illegitimate"?

Edit: Deleted the word "a" and inserted "the only."
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Gosh how dafuq did I forget that "dropping bombs on foreign countries is wrong." This has to be one of my biggest fails of all time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Pink#China

Also they're pretty much CCP and Maduro apologists. See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham
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firestar464 wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:35 am Gosh how dafuq did I forget that "dropping bombs on foreign countries is wrong." This has to be one of my biggest fails of all time.
I presume that you are being sarcastic here. I note that in this way you evaded my question. That question being: "If a foreign country were to do that to the United States, even to attack terrorists, would we be as supportive?"

Mind you, I myself have not concluded that dropping bombs on a foreign country is always indefensible. My point was the undesirability of the lack of debate in the lame stream media about this bombing policy as now being applied in Syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Pink#China

Also they're pretty much CCP and Maduro apologists. See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham
The citation of Code Pink by Common Dreams was as follows:
We condemn the U.S. airstrikes in Syria. The U.S. has sowed chaos in Syria and the entire region for years and the Biden administration ordering ongoing airstrikes is a disappointing sign that they have no intent on reversing their deadly policy of interventionism.
I suppose you also think that Peace History is also some kind of Communist front organization:
In both wars (the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq), the U.S. employed heavy-handed “pacification” tactics, ignoring lessons of the Vietnam War. These tactics included bombing, drone strikes, night raids, and arbitrary imprisonment, all of which assured a never-ending supply of vengeful insurgents. The costs were considerable: more than 500,000 war-related deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, and over 7,000 U.S. fatalities between 2001 and 2021, according to the Costs of War Project. The U.S. spent roughly $3 trillion on its overseas operations and bases during these two decades, money that could have been spent on programs addressing human needs and environmental sustainability.

In the wider “war on terror,” the U.S. employed brutish and illegal methods to capture or kill suspected terrorists, including extrajudicial rendition, indefinite detention, torture, and assassination. Such methods violated international humanitarian laws, defied human rights principles, undermined international cooperation in counterterrorism operations, and sullied America’s reputation. Rather than uphold the “rules-based international order,” the U.S. acted as a rogue nation, a law unto itself, setting a dangerous precedent for other powerful nations.

At home, the Bush administration orchestrated a major propaganda campaign to convince the American people that its policies were appropriate responses to credible threats. If there is a lesson for the public, it is to be skeptical, ask questions, and learn about U.S. foreign policies, especially when issues of war are involved. Credit should be given to those who pursued truth: to correspondents, photojournalists, and human rights workers who witnessed first-hand the debilitating effects of U.S. policies and shared their stories with the public; to media outlets and Congressional panels that pressed the government for truthful information and called out lies and abuses; to writers, scholars, and public intellectuals who pierced through official propaganda and ideological frames; to peace advocates and citizens who demonstrated their opposition to war and urged political leaders to pursue diplomacy.
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What? I'm not being sarcastic.
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firestar464 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:22 am What? I'm not being sarcastic.
My bad, I guess.
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U.S. Strike in Syria Eliminates ISIS Leader Abu Yusif
by Luis Martinez
December 20, 2024

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(ABC News) The U.S. military killed a top Islamic State leader and another member in an airstrike conducted in Syria on Thursday, U.S. Central Command said.

The strike targeted Abu Yusif, also known as Mahmud, in the Dayr az Zawr Province, an area formerly controlled by the Syrian regime and Russians, CENTCOM said.

He and an unidentified ISIS member were killed in the strike, according to CENTCOM.

"ISIS has the intent to break out of detention the over 8,000 ISIS operatives currently being held in facilities in Syria. We will aggressively target these leaders and operatives, including those trying to conduct operations external to Syria," Gen. Michael Erik Kurilla, CENTCOM commander, said in a statement.

The airstrike follows the Pentagon revealing Thursday that the U.S. troop presence in Syria is 2,000, up from the 900 previously publicly known to be in Syria. Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, Pentagon press secretary, said the troops had been in Syria for a while, since before the fall of Bashar Assad's regime earlier this month.
Read more here: https://abcnews.go.com/International/u ... 6996921

caltrek response: We always tend to look at these things from a tactical perspective. Tactically it is may be a plus to have eliminated the head of ISIS in Syria. Yet the political costs of the resentment caused by such operations also need to be weighed. Whether it was worth it is for me impossible to say as I simply don't have the access to intelligence resources that it would take to make a plausibly accurate assessment in that regard.
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caltrek wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:54 pm caltrek response: We always tend to look at these things from a tactical perspective. Tactically it is may be a plus to have eliminated the head of ISIS in Syria. Yet the political costs of the resentment caused by such operations also need to be weighed. Whether it was worth it is for me impossible to say as I simply don't have the access to intelligence resources that it would take to make a plausibly accurate assessment in that regard.
For me it's a good thing as long as it actually stops them and not just rise another to the head.
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*facepalm* Congress Sanctions a Syrian Government That No Longer Exists

https://reason.com/2024/12/26/congress- ... er-exists/
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Asma al-Assad cannot return to her native UK for cancer treatment

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Study: Civil Organizing Persisted During Syrian Civil War
January 22, 2025

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(Eureka;ert) CHAMPAIGN, Ill. — Where, when and how did civilians organize during the Syrian civil war that started in the aftermath of the Arab Spring in 2011 and lasted until the toppling of President Bashar Assad in late 2024? According to new research co-written by a University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign political scientist, civil organizing persisted during Syria’s armed conflict but also shifted to “translocal organizations” operating in rebel-held territory inside Syria and in neighboring countries.

Civil organizing by Syrians was able to endure in the face of ongoing political violence and focus not only on the basic concerns of protection and survival, but also on more far-ranging issues such as governance and revolutionary politics, said Rana B. Khoury, a professor of political science at Illinois.

“I wanted to investigate what happened during Syria’s uprising in the years after the Arab Spring,” she said. “The story that’s been told was of a nonviolent movement that was severely repressed by the Assad regime, and things then devolved into a nasty civil war. That’s all true, but at the same time, those nonviolent Syrian activists didn’t just disappear. Some demobilized, some might have joined armed groups, but many of them continued to adjust and adapt to the change in conflict conditions. And what we found was the development of something that almost looked like a civil society both inside Syria and in exile.”

Drawing on a large-scale original dataset of public Facebook posts produced by Syrian organizations from 2011-20 and qualitative case studies based on 10 months of field research among Syrian activists in Turkey and Jordan, Khoury and co-author Alexandra A. Siegel of the University of Colorado Boulder were able to systematically examine “geographic, temporal and substantive variation in civil organizing,” according to the paper.

The research suggests that civil organizing emerges and persists in more places, times and domains than is typically assumed.
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More than 1,000 killed in Syrian crackdown on Alawite region, war monitor says

March 8, 202510:27 PM GMT

More than 1,000 people have been killed in two days of clashes between gunmen and security forces linked to Syria's new Islamist rulers and fighters from Bashar al-Assad's Alawite sect in the country's coastal region, a war monitor said on Saturday.

The casualties included 745 civilians, 125 members of the Syrian security forces and 148 fighters loyal to Assad, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Reuters could not independently verify the reports.

Rami Abdulrahman, the head of the observatory, said the widespread killings in Jableh, Baniyas and surrounding areas in Syria's Alawite heartland amounted to the worst violence for years in a 13-year-old civil conflict. The victims included women and children from the Alawite minority, he said.

The new ruling authority on Thursday began a crackdown on what it said was a nascent insurgency after deadly ambushes by militants linked to former president Assad's government.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 025-03-08/
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The BBC just published a good explainer:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx20p0pj931o
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US forces will reportedly begin withdrawing from Syria by mid-June 2025, according to Israeli media.

https://understandingwar.org/background ... il-15-2025
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byp0bl2rye
CTP-ISW previously assessed that ISIS could resurge in Syria in 12 to 24 months without a US presence there.
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Syrian security forces monitored armed civilians who killed Alawites, accused man says

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2erkr1n15o

Not sure why this is the headline. The accused man is almost certainly lying; besides, this is an article about the general violence that has occurred on the coast, not the one dude. Otherwise a good article.
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Trump pledges retaliation after two US soldiers, one civilian interpreter killed in Syria

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/13/politics ... d-in-syria
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US strikes ISIS targets in Syria after killing of 2 soldiers and interpreter

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Deadly Protests and Clashes in Syria – What Happened and What’s Next?
By Usaid Siddiqui
December 29, 2025

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(Al Jazeera) Protests have erupted across Syria’s coastal regions, marking a new wave of sectarian upheaval since the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad’s regime a year ago.

During the protests on Sunday, gunfire was directed at Syrian security forces at the al-Azhari roundabout in Latakia while unknown assailants threw a hand grenade at the al-Anaza police station in the district of Banias in the Tartous governorate.

The Alawite minority, which al-Assad is a member of, held the protests after at least eight people were killed in the bombing of an Alawite mosque in Homs on Friday. They are demanding security guarantees and political reforms.

Several cities along Syria’s Mediterranean coast have experienced deadly sectarian violence over the past year, raising questions about whether the interim government can maintain unity in a nation still scarred by 14 years of civil war.

So what are the protests about, and what do they mean for political and social stability in Syria?
Read more here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/d ... bArticle
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