Ukraine War Watch Thread

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Certain Russian user wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:40 pm
caltrek wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:30 pm It is sad to see hatred for Ukraine overwhelming past feelings of Ukrainians being “our” people.
In old forum I spent literally years explaining who are "our" people in Ukraine and who are not at all our. It's sad you didn't noticed.

Anyway, here is a good analogy: imagine you have an enemy. He's just an enemy, nothing more and nothing less. You can calmly calculate how to get rid of this enemy (by making him your friend or, if not possible, in more radical way), but this all is purely technical issue and doesn't involve any personal feelings. Traitor is worse than just enemy, there is already a room for feelings (very unkind). And when this traitor is not just traitor, but your own brother...
Just defining "them" as an "enemy" that may need to be dealt with "in (a) more radical way" is essentially an act of hatred. Ditto calling them a "traitor."
Only a mentality that argues that complete subservience to Putin is required to demonstrate "loyalty" could come up with such a warped argument.

I suppose one may argue that complete indifference to suffering is different from hatred, but the end result is the same if you are supporting the aggression of Russia in these circumstances.
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Given some people's willingness to accept the characterization of Ukrainian's resistance as "terrorist," I suppose next the French resistance to the Nazi invasion in World War II will also now be referred to as "terrorist."
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Emerging on that battlefield is a new form of warfare combining both old and high-tech weapons: UAVs for surveillance and targeting, electronic warfare platforms to jam them, modern missiles for long-range strikes and perhaps most important of all, massive use of unguided artillery shells largely unchanged since World War Two. At present, that plays to Russia’s strengths -- and alarms NATO states who worried they lack the stockpiles to fight such a conflict in any wider war against the Kremlin.

According to the Royal United Service Institute, the imbalance is vast. Russia is currently firing approximately 20,000 152 mm artillery shells per day compared to Ukraine's 6,000, with an even greater advantage when it comes to long-range rockets. Aside from the United States, few NATO nations could sustain that weight of fire for more than a few days.

While Russia is reported running short of microchips and components for its newer missiles, RUSI analysts believe its vast Soviet-era stockpiles of these more old-fashioned but lethal shells could sustain its war for several years while exhausting Ukraine and Western allies.

Russian electronic warfare has also reportedly become more capable against Ukrainian drones, making it harder for Ukraine to identify and strike targets with its own artillery. Russian targeting remains often poor – but it is still getting its own limited number of drones over the battlefield, allowing it to find targets for both artery and long-range missiles.
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Ukrainian counter-offensive is now intensifying towards Kherson. And the Russian front lines are beginning to crack.



This war is now going to come down to two likely decisive battles in the coming weeks.

1) Battle of Kherson - Ukraine is going to attempt to retake the city. Ukraine is also starting to get significantly superior artillery systems from the West which are going to inflect major damage on the Russians. If the Ukrainians take the city they will be able to get their river crossing and apply massive pressure on the Russian land corridor they have tentatively established with Crimea. This will be a hugely symbollic, moral and geopolitical victory and will likely result in a partisan uprising in occupied Zaporizhizia and Kherson. Russia will have to decide whether to send whatever weak reinforcements they are getting at this point to try to reinforce Kherson or if they are going to try to get Donbass.

2) Battles of Slovyansk-Kramatorsk - This is going to be the decisive battle of the Donbass Campaign. If the Ukrainians can hold this long enough to allow Kherson and the south to fall then they likely will turn the war decisively against the Russia. Right now the Russians are exhausted after Sivierodonetsk. I personally think the Ukrainians stayed there a little too long and lost a few too many soldiers. But this may end up being worthwhile if it delays pressures on Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, The Ukrainians are going to have major defensive lines here which they have been establishing and they have a much more defensible position here. And as superior Western artillery arrives they are going to be able to go toe-to-toe against Russia and probably gain the initiative. Russia is very exhausted at the moment.

Big decision for Ukraine as to where this advanced artillery should be directed. Towards the Kherson front, or Donbass.
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Putin to Ukraine: Russia has barely started its action
Source: Associated Press

...Speaking at a meeting with leaders of the Kremlin-controlled parliament, Putin accused Western allies of fueling the hostilities, charging that “the West wants to fight us until the last Ukrainian.”

“It’s a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it looks like it’s heading in that direction,” he added.

“Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven’t even yet started anything in earnest,” Putin said in a menacing note.

He declared that Russia remains ready to sit down for talks to end the fighting, adding that “those who refuse to do so should know that the longer it lasts the more difficult it will be for them to make a deal with us.”

“We are hearing that they want to defeat us on the battlefield,” Putin said. “Let them try.”...
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Yes,
Boudicca was a terrorist,
G. Washington was a terrorist,
the Spanish guerrillas were terrorist,
the IRA -1916- were terrorist,
anybody fighting an occupation government is a terrorist,
the IRA are terrorists
and
Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist,
-provided with weapons and money by the US Government, but let's forget that-
and we -Western Democracies, but not only- love terrorists; "our" terrorists, as much as we love dictators, "our son of a bitch".

Question...
Ukraine is sending 10.000 recruits to UK to get basic training, the U. Army does not have enough troops to train its own recruits?
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New UN report finds that Ukrainian troops sometimes use human shields, leading to civilian casualties.
Two weeks after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine in February, Kremlin-backed rebels assaulted a nursing home in the eastern region of Luhansk. Dozens of elderly and disabled patients, many of them bedridden, were trapped inside without water or electricity.

The March 11 assault set off a fire that spread throughout the facility, suffocating people who couldn’t move. A small number of patients and staff escaped and fled into a nearby forest, finally getting assistance after walking for 5 kilometers (3 miles).

In a war awash in atrocities, the attack on the nursing home near the village of Stara Krasnyanka stood out for its cruelty. Ukrainian authorities placed the fault squarely on Russian forces, accusing them of killing more than 50 vulnerable civilians in a brutal and unprovoked attack.

But a new U.N. report has found that Ukraine’s armed forces bear a large, and perhaps equal, share of the blame for what happened in Stara Krasnyanka, which is about 580 kilometers (360 miles) southeast of Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine. A few days before the attack, Ukrainian soldiers took up positions inside the nursing home, effectively making the building a target.

...The Associated Press and the PBS series “Frontline,” drawing from a variety of sources, have independently documented hundreds of attacks across Ukraine that likely constitute war crimes. The vast majority of them appear to have been committed by Russia. But a handful, including the destruction of the Stara Krasnyanka care home, indicates Ukrainian fighters are also to blame.
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America’s Top Anti-War Think Tank Is Fracturing Over Ukraine
by Dan Spinelli and Dan Friedman
July 8, 2022

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(Mother Jones) Two prominent figures have resigned in protest from the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft—one of the only major think tanks to promote a skeptical view of US power and military interventionism. In announcing their departures, Joe Cirincione and Paul Eaton criticized the organization’s dovish response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

“They take this indefensible, morally bankrupt position on Ukraine,” Cirincione said in an interview Thursday with Mother Jones. “This is clearly an unprovoked invasion, and somehow Quincy keeps justifying it.”

Cirincione, who was until recently a “distinguished non-resident fellow” at Quincy, tweeted news of his resignation on Thursday, citing the institute’s “position on the Ukraine War” as his reason. Formerly the head of the Ploughshares Fund, an influential grant-giving foundation in the small progressive foreign policy world, Cirincione helped raise money for Quincy in its early days and connected it with key donors. But Ukraine proved to be his breaking point.

In articles posted online and in media appearances, other Quincy experts have called for the Biden administration to press Ukraine to reach a peace deal that allows Russia to keep some of the territory it has seized, arguing the alternative is a prolonged war and increased risk of direct conflict between the United States and Russia. That position has little public backing from prominent Democrats in Washington, who support the administration’s efforts to aid Ukraine’s military.

In an interview Thursday night, Cirincione said he “fundamentally” disagrees with Quincy experts who “completely ignore the dangers and the horrors of Russia’s invasion and occupation and focus almost exclusively on criticism of the United States, NATO, and Ukraine.”
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Ukraine Situation Report: 3,000 155mm NATO Artillery Rounds Being Fired a Day
by Stetson Paine
July , 2022

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(The Drive) A senior defense official told reporters in a background briefing on Friday that Ukrainian forces are firing some 3,000 155mm shells per day at Russian forces.

The revelation came amid questioning on the latest tranche of weapons and ammunition being sent to Ukraine, including, for the first time 1,000 guided 155mm 'smart' shells.

The official said despite the high usage rate, Ukrainian forces still have “substantial stores” of 155mm rounds and are far from running out with more rounds on the way. The U.S. and NATO allies have donated hundreds of thousands of 155mm rounds to Ukraine.

“We’ve supplied it, other countries have supplied that,” the official said. “... We know what their use rate is, we know what their store rate is, and we're monitoring that as we continue to supply them capabilities.”

Footage from Friday showed a Ukrainian PzH-2000 self-propelled howitzer crew firing 155mm rounds every eight seconds in combat near the frontline.
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U.S. Says Russia’s Prized Kerch Bridge Is A Fair Target For Ukrainian Forces
by Emma Helfrich
July 8, 2022

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(The Drive) Days after Russian forces were spotted preparing the Kerch Strait Bridge — which connects mainland Russia to Crimea — for missile attacks, statements made by U.S. defense officials signaled that the prized piece of Russian infrastructure is a fair target in their minds. The acknowledgment, however, doesn’t change the fact that the Ukrainian military still doesn’t possess a weapon with a range long enough to strike the bridge from within unoccupied territory.

At a press briefing held this morning, The War Zone asked a senior U.S. official whether or not there were any preclusions about the use of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, in Ukraine against certain targets. Speaking to reporters on the condition of anonymity, the official responded by saying that they couldn’t reveal any further information about specific targets, but that “Russian forces’ capabilities and logistics nodes within Ukraine are absolutely fair targets.” The War Zone followed up, asking if there were any hesitations about using the HIMARs against the Kerch Bridge. The official responded as follows.

“As I said, there aren't any preclusions that I'm aware of on Ukrainians fighting on their sovereign territory against Russia.”

In so many words, the response suggests that carrying out such an attack with U.S. weaponry would be up to the discretion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces currently defending the country from Russian invaders. As such, if a standoff missile attack were to be launched from Ukrainian waters or soil and strike the Kerch Bridge, it seems clear the United States wouldn’t object. Remember, Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and the U.S. does not recognize it as belonging to Russia. However, as strategic and symbolic as striking the Kerch Bridge would be, Ukraine simply doesn’t have the right arsenal for that at present. What they do have, though, seems to be having an effect on the Russian military nonetheless.
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