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Umm...acrually a lot of Russian soldiers seem to also be casualties.
in an apparent effort to ensure the Ukraine War continues until the death of the last Ukrainian soldier,
Meaning no Western casualties.

"UK will fight until the last French soldier". A saying from WW2.
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Western officials reportedly estimate that Russian forces have sustained almost 200,000 casualties in the war in Ukraine.
ISW.

Officials? Like the source of that secret protocol to call one million reservists? Reportedly? Meaning yes or somebody heard that somebody said that somebody... Estimate? Again?, I can get an estimate from Tweeter or two.
What about an estimate of Ukrainian casualties? We are providing their weapons, we should know that number. Russia is attacking (no, wait, this is the great Ukrainian offensive), attackers usually suffer more casualties, but this attacker is using a lot more shells, tanks and everything, the defender should be suffering more casualties (not to mention who can take more).

The "offensive" against Kreminna seems to consist in repelling Russian attacks. Maybe the offensive ended like a long time ago but we haven't been informed? Anyone is reading Russian newspapers?, maybe we could get an "official" estimate from them... about Ukrainian casualties.

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Brazil is going to help negotiations or is going to be pressured to sell tank ammo for those Leopard 1? Are we in for peace or for war?
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Erm, they hyperlink all the sources as footnotes. As for Kremina, ISW assessed that they'll take it by early 23 (that is, they have up to April for this assessment to age well).
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firestar464 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:48 pm Erm, they hyperlink all the sources as footnotes. As for Kremina, ISW assessed that they'll take it by early 23 (that is, they have up to April for this assessment to age well).
Clearly.
Key Takeaways

The Biden administration announced a new $2.2 billion military aid package to Ukraine on February 3, including precision long-range missiles for HIMARS.
Russian President Vladimir Putin continued his campaign against certain opposition voices in the domestic information space while continuing to platform critical nationalist milbloggers.
Russian officials continue to perpetuate the information operation that the war in Ukraine is a direct threat to Russian security through legislative manipulations.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Svatove-Kreminna line with an intensified pace of operations near Kreminna.
Russian forces continued offensive operations around Bakhmut.
Russian forces did not make any confirmed territorial gains in southern Ukraine.
Western officials reportedly estimate that Russian forces have sustained almost 200,000 casualties in the war in Ukraine.
Russian officials continue to rely on government-organized non-governmental organizations operating in occupied territories to create the veneer of grassroots support for Russian occupation.
Offensive assessment? A bit too generous when they are repelling attacks. Ukraine series of continuous attacks was... when exactly?
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You can say that the Bakhmut (shy) offensive is still going on with (continuous) small, limited attacks. You can say that Russia is counterattacking around Kreminna, but "offensive" would be the wrong word.
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That guy running while burning... :shock:

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Ukraine releases video appearing to show Russian troops beating own wounded officer

Tue 7 Feb 2023 13.04 GMT

Ukraine has released extraordinary video footage that appears to show Russian fighters dragging their badly wounded commander away from the battlefield, and then beating him violently with what appear to be shovels.

A Ukrainian drone captured the incident near the eastern city of Bakhmut, where intense fighting has been raging for months. Four soldiers from Russia’s Wagner mercenary group carry their colleague through a landscape of ruined houses, holding his arms and legs.

They then dump him next to a barn. A second video appears to show three men then hitting him repeatedly with shovels. The fate of the injured commander is unclear. But the episode tallies with persistent reports of low morale among Russian mercenary units.

Ukrainian soldiers fighting in and around Bakhmut have described how Wagner troops attack in waves. They are reportedly threatened with execution if they fail to advance and are mown down in large numbers, their corpses littering the frontlines.

A drone unit from the Seneka special platoon shot the footage earlier this week. It was released on Ukrainian social media channels on Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ed-officer


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So...

Do we know his rank?; can we see their Wagner membership card?; two videos for the same incident?; low morale, because of that video, because Ukraine says that the enemy has low morale?; so low are they in ammo that they shoot a video instead of mortars?

I haven't seen any video of those "corpses littering the front-lines", anybody?
I saw a bad quality picture of between 20 to 40 corpses by a road, I could't see an ID in any one of them.
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What Are the Kremlin’s Hopes for Its War Against Ukraine?
by Ksenia Kirillova
February 7, 2023

Introduction:
(Eurasia Review) In the 12th month of Russia’s war against Ukraine, analysts close to the Kremlin are increasingly sounding the alarm that the Russian people should prepare for a long-term conflict. At the same time, in the past, such statements were always accompanied by propaganda narratives about the United States dragging Russia into a protracted war. Now, propagandists claim that a long war primarily benefits Moscow.

At the end of January 2023, a long anonymous article appeared on a pro-Kremlin website, the essence of which boiled down to the idea that the protracted war in Ukraine was not a forced necessity, but “Putin’s cunning plan.” The author asserts that Western analysts are absolutely right when they say that Russia “will have enough resources for many years, but the reserves of Western military arsenals will be seriously depleted, while their economy suffers.” The propagandist states that the transition from offensive to defensive operations will allow Moscow to carry out large-scale changes in the composition of the Russian Armed Forces, increase their numbers and ensure the timely supply of weapons and equipment. “No one is in a hurry,” the author concludes (Topcor.ru, January 19).

This article is not a lone opinion, but part of an increasingly widespread narrative..
Conclusion:

(Pro-Kremlin expert Rostislav) Ishchenko noted that the damage from a protracted war could be so great that it negates victory, and its most dangerous consequence is the militarization of public consciousness, “shaking natural economic ties and legitimizing violence” (Voennoedelo.com, December 20, 2022).

However, such voices are becoming increasingly marginalized. Ishchenko himself, at the end of his article, claims that Russia “has no other choice but to win a victory in this war,” thereby unwittingly playing along with those whom he had tried to argue against. Given all these factors, it seems highly doubtful that Russia will be able to fully avoid the negative consequences of a protracted war.
Read more here: https://www.eurasiareview.com/07022023 ... analysis/

Read the pro-Kremlin propagandist (if you must) at Topcor.ry here: https://topcor.ru/31248-rossija-uhodit ... tsja.html A translate button is available at that site.
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ibm9000 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:01 pm So...

Do we know his rank?; can we see their Wagner membership card?; two videos for the same incident?; low morale, because of that video, because Ukraine says that the enemy has low morale?; so low are they in ammo that they shoot a video instead of mortars?

I haven't seen any video of those "corpses littering the front-lines", anybody?
I saw a bad quality picture of between 20 to 40 corpses by a road, I could't see an ID in any one of them.

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