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The sad thing about all this is that Putin won't even achieve anything out of this other than killing off his young generation - as Russia gets dragged into a protracted guerrilla war - and accelerates the population decline in Eastern Europe as many Ukrainians and other Eastern European nations seek refuge in Western countries...

I'm not sure Ukrainian refugees will be received any better than those from other parts of the world and they may be received even worse as many of these countries are facing housing crisis' and huge inflation right now. Not to mention the vaxx rates in Ukraine are not high and I could easily see the lack of vaxx coverage in these refugees as potentially scapegoating them as carriers of disease (Not just talking about COVID, but also measles...) This will be destabilizing for Western countries.

The West on the other hand is likely going to be all too happy to bog Putin down into a grinder for his military forces just as Iraq became for the Americans. Blood is also still bad for Putin's actions in Syria as well...
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raklian wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:40 pm I think if Russia does actually invade Ukraine, knowing how Biden dealt with the chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal and is now dealing with the Covid crisis at home, he won't order the US military to directly intervene to help Ukraine defend itself although it may make it more difficult for Russia in less overt ways. If the US-Russia talks fail with a subsequent invasion of Ukraine, the US and Europe's mission will be to make any plans Russia may have for a long-term occupation unfeasible, in the same way Russia made it difficult for the US to stay in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
The collapse of Afghanistan has only emboldened Russia and China to probe America's resolve in their own spheres of influence. Fairly or not, Biden has made the U.S. look weak.
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White House: Russia prepping pretext for Ukraine invasion
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By AAMER MADHANI, NOMAAN MERCHANT and VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence officials have determined a Russian effort is underway to create a pretext for its troops to further invade Ukraine, and Moscow has already prepositioned operatives to conduct “a false-flag operation” in eastern Ukraine, according to the White House.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday the intelligence findings show Russia is also laying the groundwork through a social media disinformation campaign that frames Ukraine as an aggressor that has been preparing an imminent attack against Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.

Psaki charged that Russia has already dispatched operatives trained in urban warfare who could use explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces — blaming the acts on Ukraine — if Russian President Vladimir Putin decides he wants to move forward with an invasion.

“We are concerned that the Russian government is preparing for an invasion in Ukraine that may result in widespread human rights violations and war crimes should diplomacy fail to meet their objectives,” Psaki said.


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Fairly or not, Biden has made the U.S. look weak.
He couldn't have stayed in Afghanistan. The US tried to train the Afghan army, but it failed.
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andmar74 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:09 pm
Fairly or not, Biden has made the U.S. look weak.
He couldn't have stayed in Afghanistan. The US tried to train the Afghan army, but it failed.
It wasn't about him staying in Afghanistan. It was about how the exit was handled...
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Xyls wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:21 pm
andmar74 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:09 pm
Fairly or not, Biden has made the U.S. look weak.
He couldn't have stayed in Afghanistan. The US tried to train the Afghan army, but it failed.
It wasn't about him staying in Afghanistan. It was about how the exit was handled...
It probably couldn't have been handled any better. It was going to be disastrous no matter who was presiding over it, considering how quickly and unexpectedly the Taliban took things over.
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Russian-led militants in the occupied city of Horlivka in Donetsk Oblast in eastern Ukraine released toxic ammonia gas into the atmosphere on Jan. 14, according to a report published on Facebook by the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine.

The intelligence states that the release of chemicals could be part of a red-flag operation – a pretense for a further Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The incident comes amidst the backdrop of increasing Russian aggression against Ukraine and warnings of planned false-flag operations.

Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops along the border with Ukraine since November. The Washington Post estimated that as many as 175,000 combat personnel are poised to invade Ukraine in early 2022, citing U.S. intelligence documents.

The Defense Intelligence of Ukraine reported that Russian-backed militants had released chemicals imported into the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine. The intelligence stated that the сontainers of ammonia gas on the site of the former Stirol (Styrene) factory have been depressurized, leading to gas leakage and posing a threat to the environment.
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Ukraine says Russia behind cyberattack in 'hybrid war' move
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By YURAS KARMANAU

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine said Sunday that Russia was behind a cyberattack that defaced its government websites and alleged that Russia is engaged in an increasing “hybrid war” against its neighbor.

The statement from the Ministry of Digital Development came a day after Microsoft said dozens of computer systems at an unspecified number of Ukrainian government agencies had been infected with destructive malware disguised as ransomware. That disclosure suggested the attention-grabbing defacement attack on official websites last week was a diversion.

“All evidence indicates that Russia is behind the cyberattack. Moscow continues to wage a hybrid war and is actively building up its forces in the information and cyberspaces,” the ministry statement said.

The attack comes as the threat of a Russian invasion of Ukraine looms and diplomatic talks to resolve the tense standoff appear stalled.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said on Sunday that Russia began its military buildup along the Ukrainian border because it could no longer "tolerate" NATO's eastward expansion and "gradual invasion" of Ukraine.

Appearing on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS," Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the stage for the current border crisis was set decades ago, in the '90s. Roughly 100,000 Russian soldiers have recently amassed near Ukraine, leading to concerns that Russia will invade its neighbor soon.

"When Germany was reunited and when the then-Soviet Union and the Soviet Union leader Mr. [Mikhail] Gorbachev said OK to that, there was a promise by American side," Peskov said on Sunday.

"Unfortunately, not fixed in a juridical, in a legally binding guaranteeing document, but it — there was a guarantee that NATO would never ... expand its military infrastructure or political infrastructure eastwards," he continued.

"Unfortunately, the opposite thing started to happen since then, and NATO's military infrastructure started to get closer and closer to the borders of the Russian Federation," he added, saying that recent actions by the U.S. military led Russia to feel that its national security was being "endangered."
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