Like Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq. Only Ukraine is being destroyed.Given all these factors, it seems highly doubtful that Russia will be able to fully avoid the negative consequences of a protracted war.
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The West is much richer and well-resourced than Russia and hence will be better able to replace whatever it equipment it loses in Ukraine. Most of what is being given is older and less capable weapons anyway.At the end of January 2023, a long anonymous article appeared on a pro-Kremlin website, the essence of which boiled down to the idea that the protracted war in Ukraine was not a forced necessity, but “Putin’s cunning plan.” The author asserts that Western analysts are absolutely right when they say that Russia “will have enough resources for many years, but the reserves of Western military arsenals will be seriously depleted, while their economy suffers.” The propagandist states that the transition from offensive to defensive operations will allow Moscow to carry out large-scale changes in the composition of the Russian Armed Forces, increase their numbers and ensure the timely supply of weapons and equipment. “No one is in a hurry,” the author concludes (Topcor.ru, January 19).
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Russian propaganda = lessons in delusion.
The West hasn't even started to up it's production capacity if it did Russia would be crushed...
The West literally has 6 bigger economies than Russia... some of these economies are multiple times bigger than Russia's.
U.S.
Japan
Germany
UK
France
Canada
Italy might make it 7 but I'm unsure if they are bigger than Russia at the moment...
The West hasn't even started to up it's production capacity if it did Russia would be crushed...
The West literally has 6 bigger economies than Russia... some of these economies are multiple times bigger than Russia's.
U.S.
Japan
Germany
UK
France
Canada
Italy might make it 7 but I'm unsure if they are bigger than Russia at the moment...
Re: Ukraine War Watch Thread
Russia threatens 'consequences' if UK gives jets to Ukraine
Wed, February 8, 2023 at 8:15 PM GMT
If the U.K. gives Ukraine fighter jets, there will be consequences for Europe and the entire world, the Russian embassy threatened on Feb. 8.
Earlier in the day, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said that no type of military aid was off the table, including combat aircraft, when it comes to military aid to Ukraine. Sunak made the statement at a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelensky during his visit to the U.K.
U.K. defense minister Ben Wallace was asked to look into what planes can be sent to Ukraine.
Sunak also said the U.K. would train Ukrainian pilots to operate NATO-standard aircraft, including British-made tech.
Zelensky made a surprise visit to London, where he met with the heads of state, as well as King Charles III, on Feb. 8.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-threa ... hQitn0Br2Y
Wed, February 8, 2023 at 8:15 PM GMT
If the U.K. gives Ukraine fighter jets, there will be consequences for Europe and the entire world, the Russian embassy threatened on Feb. 8.
Earlier in the day, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said that no type of military aid was off the table, including combat aircraft, when it comes to military aid to Ukraine. Sunak made the statement at a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelensky during his visit to the U.K.
U.K. defense minister Ben Wallace was asked to look into what planes can be sent to Ukraine.
Sunak also said the U.K. would train Ukrainian pilots to operate NATO-standard aircraft, including British-made tech.
Zelensky made a surprise visit to London, where he met with the heads of state, as well as King Charles III, on Feb. 8.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-threa ... hQitn0Br2Y
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Actually, it has, but this is not WW2.The West hasn't even started to up it's production capacity
Really?if it did Russia would be crushed...
What about if Russia "up" its production?, something like the Soviet Union in WW2 and then we get a nice little WW3? Wishful thinking is always sooo easy.
I would say that, like during the Spanish Civil War, the goal is not victory, but to keep the war going on; a weaker/busy Russia is in our interest. Again, they are killing Ukrainians, far and away.
Could you define Western Propaganda?Russian propaganda = lessons in delusion.
II thought we were "giving" the latest, state-of-the-art stuff, based on our infinite superior technology. (Apart from the Leopard 1, if).Most of what is being given is older and less capable weapons anyway.
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Ukraine's generals predict a massive Russian offensive between now and the first anniversary of the invasion (February 24).
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/08/uk ... putin-war/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/08/uk ... putin-war/
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Ukraine Apparently Kills Its First Russian Terminator Combat Vehicle
by Emma Hellfrich
February , 2023
Introduction:
caltrek: Yes, the video (see provided link) is obviously a propaganda piece. Still, if third party analysts indicate it shows what it claims to show...
by Emma Hellfrich
February , 2023
Introduction:
Read more here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ ... t-vehicle(The Drive) Ukrainian forces have put an advanced Russian BMPT Terminator armored fighting vehicle out of commission for the first time, according to the Ukrainian Marines. The Terminator is a relatively new addition to Russia's ground arsenal and only a small number of them are known to be in service, making this kill quite the trophy for the Ukrainian military.
Members of the Ukrainian Marine Corps’ 140th Separate Reconnaissance Battalion helped destroy the BMPT, according to a post on the service’s official Facebook page. The post explains the Marines belonging to the unit shared the Terminator’s coordinates with nearby artillery forces, who then carried out the attack, stating:
Hasta la vista, baby! Soldiers of the 140th separate reconnaissance battalion of the marines found the detonated Russian BMPT "Terminator", transferred the coordinates to the artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and further adjusted the fire. So, we see that this allegedly "invincible" and "unique" combat vehicle burns just as well as the rest of Russian scrap metal. Glory to the marines! Glory to Ukraine!
caltrek: Yes, the video (see provided link) is obviously a propaganda piece. Still, if third party analysts indicate it shows what it claims to show...
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Here Is What Russia’s Military Aircraft and Missiles Actually Cost
by Piotr Butowski
February 9, 2023
Conclusion:
by Piotr Butowski
February 9, 2023
Conclusion:
Read more here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ ... ally-cost(The Drive) An analysis from Forbes Ukraine last November assessed that the Kremlin had spent around $82 billion in the first nine months of its war, of which nearly $29 billion was to support the armed forces, $16 billion for soldiers’ salaries, and more than $9 billion for the families of servicemen killed in combat. At that point, the same source suggested that Russian military equipment losses had cost another $21 billion.
Alongside the colossal cost of the war and the fact that sanctions are pushing up prices across the supply chain, Russia’s already fragile economy looks precarious, more generally, with reports that Gross Domestic Product output has dropped, although not as far as some had predicted.
Where the Russian arms industry once relied heavily upon foreign sales to keep its production lines busy and provide cash that could be channeled into further research and development, notably in the case of the Sukhoi Flanker multirole fighter jet family, the war in Ukraine has seen Russian defense exports hit badly, while it will be harder to fulfill any existing contracts…
“We anticipate that they’re going to have a real problem delivering equipment at the rate they’re losing equipment in Ukraine,” a senior U.S. intelligence official told Foreign Policy last summer. Not only are aircraft like the Ka-52 now urgently needed by Russia as attrition replacements, rather than for export, but the generally poor showing of Russian air power in the conflict will almost certainly make it less attractive to potential customers — if those customers are even willing to do business with Putin’s Russia at all.
Whatever happens next in the conflict, it seems certain that Russia’s isolated position means that it will have to rely primarily on its domestic production capabilities to make good losses and restock weapons stockpiles. We may well never know what that will all cost, but the above examples demonstrate a general lack of resilience in the Russian military aircraft and weapons industry, and, as exports dry up, the Kremlin may be forced to intervene in other ways to prop up its defense companies.
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