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U.S. Senator: Russia Trying To Create 'Pretext For War' By Making Impossible-To-Accept Demands From U.S., NATO
The top Republican on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee says the security proposals that Moscow has put forth in response to Western alarm over a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine are a clear sign that Russia is “trying to create a pretext for war.”

U.S. Senator Jim Risch (Republican-Idaho) said in a statement on December 18 that Russia’s proposals are not security agreements, but a list of concessions the United States and NATO must make to appease Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The proposals, laid out on December 17 by the Russian Foreign Ministry, call for an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and limitations on the alliance’s military activity in Eastern Europe, including cooperation with Ukraine and Georgia.
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More than half of Ukrainians will actively resist in the event of an all-out Russian invasion, according to a new survey by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology published on Dec. 17.

The Kremlin has amassed nearly 100,000 troops surrounding Ukraine in November in what Ukrainian and Western intelligence see as a threat of invasion in early 2022.

The poll showed that 33.3% of Ukrainians will put up armed resistance if Russia starts large-scale military actions. Another 21.7% said they will participate in civil resistance like protests, strikes, demonstrations, boycotts, marches and public disobedience. In total, 50.2% of respondents chose one or both of the above options.
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On Monday, a senior diplomat from Russia said that Russia demands immediate talks with the United States on the aforementioned security guarantees from NATO.

The Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Sergei Ryabkov, said: “We need (answers) urgently since the situation is serious and may get more complicated.” Moreover, President Vladimir Putin’s chief arms control negotiator warned of a “military response” if NATO did not sufficiently meet the demands.
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It isn't unreasonable for Russia to be making demands that a competing imperial power keep a buffer zone away from their own country. Russia's actions in Ukraine are clearly imperially motivated themselves, however anyone buying the narrative the U.S is trying to push should remember how our own country reacted when the USSR had a presence in Cuba. How would America respond if Russia was providing arms and moving to station troops in Mexico under the pretext of "defending Mexico from American aggression."

These aren't concessions from NATO that Russia is demanding. It is a proposal for the establishment of a Russian Imperial region that the Russian State can guarantee isn't going to be encroached upon by another imperial power. In the same exact way that America has maintained various regions of control for its own interests whether that be through the Monroe Doctrine, antiterrorism, or anticommunism over the years.

Does that make Russia right? No. imperialism is bad for everyone regardless of who's doing it. Does that make America right? No, for many reasons stated above. Yet, it is incredibly foolish of America to push another imperial power in a way that itself would not accept being pushed, risking the destabilization of global peace.

The reason that America is becoming more aggressive and provoking responses like this one from Russia is because the rate of profit is falling and there is less proportional capital to go around than there used to be, meaning, that imperial powers will increasingly be forced to compete directly for capital. As the rate of profit continues to fall imperial aggressions from all imperial powers should be expected to increase.
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It isn't unreasonable for Russia to be making demands that a competing imperial power keep a buffer zone away from their own country. Russia's actions in Ukraine are clearly imperially motivated themselves, however anyone buying the narrative the U.S is trying to push should remember how our own country reacted when the USSR had a presence in Cuba. How would America respond if Russia was providing arms and moving to station troops in Mexico under the pretext of "defending Mexico from American aggression."

These aren't concessions from NATO that Russia is demanding. It is a proposal for the establishment of a Russian Imperial region that the Russian State can guarantee isn't going to be encroached upon by another imperial power. In the same exact way that America has maintained various regions of control for its own interests whether that be through the Monroe Doctrine, antiterrorism, or anticommunism over the years.

Does that make Russia right? No. imperialism is bad for everyone regardless of who's doing it. Does that make America right? No, for many reasons stated above. Yet, it is incredibly foolish of America to push another imperial power in a way that itself would not accept being pushed risking the destabilization of global peace.
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The reason that America is becoming more aggressive and provoking responses like this one from Russia is because the rate of profit is falling and there is less proportional capital to go around than there used to be, meaning, that imperial powers will increasingly be forced to compete directly for capital.
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US builds up forward military presence near Russian borders — defense minister
As Sergey Shoigu noted, there are 8,000 US troops in Eastern Europe
MOSCOW, December 21. / TASS /. The US is building up a forward military presence near Russia’s borders, deploying about 8,000 troops in Eastern Europe, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said at the expanded meeting of the Defense Ministry Board on Tuesday.

"The US is scaling up its forward military presence near the Russian borders. In Eastern Europe, some 8,000 US troops have been deployed. As for the grouping of US troops in Germany, the Command Theater Engagement has been recreated there. Until 1991, it was responsible for using medium-range missiles," the defense minister noted. According to Shoigu, it is necessary to have strike missile weapons.
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Why Putin has Such a Hard Time Accepting Ukrainian Sovereignty
by Jacob Lassin and Emily Channell-Justice

https://theconversation.com/why-putin-h ... nty-174029

Introduction:
(The Conversation) Ukraine is again looking warily over its eastern border as Russia threatens its territorial integrity.

In recent weeks, a buildup of Russian troops along the Ukrainian border has rattled Western leaders fearful of an incursion similar to, or perhaps even more wide-ranging than, Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Then, on Dec. 17, 2021, Vladimir Putin demanded that no former Soviet states, such as Ukraine, be added to NATO – the Western alliance that Ukraine has long expressed a desire to join – and that NATO cease all military cooperation in Eastern Europe.

Such rhetoric harks back to the Cold War, when global politics revolved around an ideological struggle between a communist Eastern Bloc and a capitalist West. It also serves Russia’s ideological and political goal of asserting its position as a global power.

As scholars of the politics and culture of Ukraine and Russia, we know that underpinning Putin’s goal is Russia’s historical view of Ukraine as a part of its greater empire, which at one time ranged from present-day Poland to the Russian Far East. Understanding this helps explain Putin’s actions, and how he leans into this view of Ukraine to advance his agenda.
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